I think Fifth's advice is right. I know exactly how you feel. I remember fantasizing about many a waitress when i was young. (and single of course, before my wife sees this and beats me up ) I remember when one of my best friends wrote a note to a waitress and handed it to her. She laughed and smirked and moved on. Of course i think we must have been around 18 and she was at least in her mid 20's. You know, it's quite possible she didn't see your number on the bills. Also, it's tough (call me sexist here) for a girl to just call up a guy she just met like that. She probably sees hundreds of guys in a week. I think you needed to ask directly. Hey it was just as tough for me too at your age.
In answer to your question Veva, yes. Regarding women, I am always this paranoid. Thanks! Maryd- Aw, thanks! Carly- I'm not supposed to tell anyone you're a girl? I'll try to keep that on the lowdown from now on. PS- Yep. Boys are dumb. I am one and I know a few as well. PPS- Thanks for the new 'noid' questions! prendrel- touche. Fifth- Believe it or not, this was quite a big step for me! One of these days it'll happen.
Maybe what you're supposed to learn from this is the next time you meet a cute girl and she shows you lots of attention, bite the bullet and ask her out directly.
They may be dumb, but they are a thousand times cleverer at romantic intrigue than the boys are.
Girls are dumb, I can tell you that because I am one. P.S. Don't tell anyone I admitted that. P.P.S. Before you get all high and mighty, boys are dumb too. P.P.P.S. Did you ever think maybe she is scared to go out on a limb too? She might think you left it as a joke. Ah, the possibilities are endless. It always gets messy and blurry when peoplehave to swallow their pride and put themselves up for a fall. Wow, that became longer than I intended
Poor dear. Don't despair. I have always said to my children... "There is always someone for everyone." When you find that someone, you will know. Until then cheer up, don't live out your life as a hermit. I have seen your picture and you are a handsome young man. If I was 20 years younger and a couple of billion miles closer... Ah well.
Are you always being that paranoid? anyway, if she calls, that will be something... wish you good luck
I'm afraid its a combination of a lack of interest/a horrible memory for anything I might have read, and the fact that I lose almost every book I ever buy/receive. I did read the Cherokee Park staff handbook. Does that count?
I see... Some potential there Ben
Your reading list may be invisible, but your sense of humor isn't!
Either you didn't get much reading done, or you have a memory like mine.
Did you take me literally Juniper... I watched the video. So farrrnnnnnyyy!
Oh, the invisible list...
Originally Posted by Maryd. Even my own son tells me off when hubby cooks a barbie. It took me a while to realize what you meant by "cook a barbie." For a second there I thought you meant that your husband did this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRdI2UK-0DM
Becca- Thank you for bringing those points up! It never occurs to me that people can just grab a packaged steak and not consider where it came from. I am also of the opinion that if you could not kill an animal, you have no business eating it. Virgil- in my opinion if elk is treated right (killed under the right circumstances, aged properly, processed properly and cooked well) there is little other meat I prefer. It is similar to mule deer, but it is not quite as tender as whitetail (which I believe is the species present in NY.) Yes, on average we get around 150 pounds of meat off of an elk. For one or two people, that would last all year! ps- don't get store bought elk. they are farmed elk and not nearly as good. Nikolai- I agree with you totally on the factory farms issue. I am appalled at the conditions. No place I have ever bought beef or worked has such conditions. And it is true, there is something more personal and liberating about hunting. I have a greater appreciation for life and how fragile it is, yet how strong it can be because of my experiences.
Originally Posted by skib I do my best. It is a constant barrage, however and I get frustrated when I try to defend myself, because instead of a 'lets agree to disagree' it escalates into a vicious point counterpoint loop. As controversial as it is, nobody is willing to say 'okay, you kill cows. I can live with that,' or 'you don't eat meat. I can live with that.' I try to stay unattached, but I get so inflamed when I am told that because I eat other living things that I have no respect for them. I guess I could just not read them, eh? That would be the best choice. Actually I would be interested in going hunting - someday in life, after other requirements are met. A friend of mine went hunting with his dad and took home some meat and then shared it with us after a sweat (in a sweat lodge in his backyard). And I had some then, and liked it very much, although meat has always tasted unbearable to me. And in the future I may eat meat, but only if I know it has come from an animal, in my case most probably a deer, which lived a natural life in the forest. I think there is a boundless rift between that, which I consider to be okay, and factory farms, which I consider to be evil. One thing which partly influenced me in this was reading recently Black Elk Speaks. The way of life that he describes is a very natural and connected one. Whereas, getting meat in a package from the grocery store, or on a plate in a restaurant, if it has come from a factory farm, completely goes against nature. It is, as Taoism might say, wayward qi. Of course I will never eat a cow, which as you know I consider them sacred.
Originally Posted by skib Virgil- We're doing our best in a tough market! I'b butchering my elk tomorrow if you're interested and running low on beef. I've never had elk. Is it much different than venison? Elk are huge. I bet one could provide enough meat for the entire year.
I don't eat meat for a variety of personal reasons (well, I went on a two year 'break' from being veggie-reasons below), including the fact that while I breed cattle for consumption, my main few girls are pets, and the ones that are sold are unnamed, and I am not the one consuming them. I am with the various environmental reasons not to eat meat. But would be much more okay with people consuming it if they actually thought about where it came from, or had any respect for the entire growth/slaughtering process. If everybody who eats meat at one point went through the slaughterhouse and assisted in killing an animal, I would 100% condone their eating meat. I know you are actively involved in the actual process of raising the cattle, so your choice to eat meat is is supported- you don't have the disconnect of people who just grab a package at the grocery store, same as a box of cereal or a bag of chips. It's incredibly ignorant for people to not respect that, and agree to disagree.
Muse- I too see some issues that need dealing with. That's quite an interesting view you've got. I'd be quite interested in learning about it if you ever have the time. Virgil- We're doing our best in a tough market! I'b butchering my elk tomorrow if you're interested and running low on beef. Mary- That is quite a legitimate reason to not consume meat. If it makes you genuinely ill, there's no reason for you to try and force it down, is there? I did join the vegetarian threads by choice though. Some of me feels the need to defend myself. Nikolai- I do my best. It is a constant barrage, however and I get frustrated when I try to defend myself, because instead of a 'lets agree to disagree' it escalates into a vicious point counterpoint loop. As controversial as it is, nobody is willing to say 'okay, you kill cows. I can live with that,' or 'you don't eat meat. I can live with that.' I try to stay unattached, but I get so inflamed when I am told that because I eat other living things that I have no respect for them. I guess I could just not read them, eh? That would be the best choice.
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