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  1. Pike Bishop's Avatar
    Actually, no; it is not "vice versa." Customers have a constitutional right to not be denied service for who they are. Businesses do not have a constitutional right to deny service to people for who they are, even because of that businesses religious beliefs.

    And the Constitution does not have to grant the federal government power over marriage. The Constitution--in particular, the Equal Protection Clause--and the Loving v. Virginia ruling already assert and protect Gays' rights to marriage. And since no state law can override the constitution, no state law can deny Gays their marriage rights. That's why all 22 rulings have gone against states' attempts to bar gay marriage and affirmed Gays' marriage rights.

    So, you might as well get used to it, Peter: Gay marriage will soon be the law of the land in every state. It's sad that would actually bother you.
  2. PeterL's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pike Bishop
    The right to religious freedom does not and cannot allow one to infringe upon or trample someone else's constitutional rights. It also does not allow them to break the law. The Constitution and constitutional laws prohibits any governmentally-licensed businesses from refusing service to customers for who they are...end of story.
    And vice versa.

    As to gay marriages, the Constitution--particularly the 4th Amendment and the Equal Protection Clause--and the Loving v. Virginia ruling legitimates Gays' constitutional rights to get married in civic marriages. They do not have to accept the "separate-but-unequal" common-law marriages or "civil unions." And nobody is requiring any churches to marry anybody whom they don't wan to marry. So, your saying someone is is untrue and alarmist.
    Whereas the Constitution does not grant the federal government any power over marriage, and whereas the full faith and credit clause requires that a legal marriage in one state is a lawful marriage in all states; there is no reason for the federal courts to become involved unless one state refuses to respect the lawful marriage from another state.
  3. Pike Bishop's Avatar
    The right to religious freedom does not and cannot allow one to infringe upon or trample someone else's constitutional rights. It also does not allow them to break the law. The Constitution and constitutional laws prohibits any governmentally-licensed businesses from refusing service to customers for who they are...end of story.

    As to gay marriages, the Constitution--particularly the 4th Amendment and the Equal Protection Clause--and the Loving v. Virginia ruling legitimates Gays' constitutional rights to get married in civic marriages. They do not have to accept the "separate-but-unequal" common-law marriages or "civil unions." And nobody is requiring any churches to marry anybody whom they don't wan to marry. So, your saying someone is is untrue and alarmist.
  4. Pike Bishop's Avatar
    Neither the Republicans in 1960 nor the Dems in 1932 were nearly as extremist as the Tea Party. And the Tea Party won't substantially change; their whole purpose is espousing and fighting for extreme Rightist beliefs even rejected by mainstream Republicans. They will not give up the following:

    1. Their homophobic fight against Gay marriage and for discrimination against Gays
    2. Racist rhetoric and statements like their many racist visual and written linguistic descriptions of Obama
    3. Rejection of workers' legal right of collective bargaining and union/union representation
    4. Rejection of almost all gun restrictions, even those meant to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.
    5. Their fight to restrict and effectively eliminate abortion rights, even though they lie about being "libertarian."

    Most Americans reject and will not except these extremist views; so, no, the Tea Party does not have a chance in a general election. And if they water down their views to become like mainstream Republicans, conservative voters will just choose the Republicans.
  5. PeterL's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pike Bishop
    Obviously, I agree with you about their lack of political savvy. However, their views are so extreme and antithetical to the beliefs of most Americans that no political savvy--short of veiling their actual views--could save them in any national election.
    That didn't stop the Republicans in 1860, nor did it stop the Dems in 1932. And who's to say that they won't claim to have changed to in order to win and election; that has been quite common among U.S. politicians.
    Updated 04-23-2015 at 03:05 PM by PeterL (typo)
  6. Pike Bishop's Avatar
    Obviously, I agree with you about their lack of political savvy. However, their views are so extreme and antithetical to the beliefs of most Americans that no political savvy--short of veiling their actual views--could save them in any national election.
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