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Yvonne Sturgeon
03-23-2015, 01:07 PM
Does Conrad seem to be setting up two kinds or qualities of reality? How can you reconcile this statement?

Ryan Andrews
03-24-2015, 12:46 PM
Conrad does set up multiple realities within the novel. There is the reality of the whites which is the 'civilized' reality. This reality is presented as one of class and order. The second reality is that of the natives. This reality is looked at as a barbaric one. The jungle the natives live in is often described as prehistoric and the way that they live is viewed as animalistic. The ironic part is that the whites are far more brutal than the natives. Their western culture and imperialistic views have actually brought out a far more innate greed that even the natives haven't tapped into. If you ask me, the Europeans are acting more like animals than the people of the Congo are.

Justin H P.2
03-24-2015, 04:53 PM
There only is one reality. However, Conrad seems to be setting up two perceptions of reality. He has one side, like the one represented by Kurtz’s Intended who only sees the good in people like Kurtz. She admires Kurtz and can only see him as a remarkable man. It is amusing to see the internal struggle Marlow has to endure just to go along with what she is saying and to avoid saying the truth of Kurtz’s actions. The other side of reality is the one Marlow experiences firsthand. He sees the corruption and cruelty that goes on in the Company like when the Europeans obviously kill the natives and have no care for their deaths. One side can be represented by greed and cruelty and the other can be represented by innocence and care.

paigefauntleroy
03-24-2015, 06:21 PM
I do believe Conrad seems to be setting up two kinds or qualities of reality. The novel idolized Kurtz as this powerful, hard-working man who cares for his people and business. Kurtz has many talents which include painting and music. Although Kurtz is seen as a wonderful idol, he also has a dark side. He is seeing two woman at once, greedy over the possession of ivory, does not care for the European conduct rules, and is selfish. Kurtz is basically living a two person life. His idolized side outshines his dark side which is why people are so charismatic and dedicated towards him and his wants. Kurtz is seen as a man that you only listen to not speak to. His words are too powerful for a lower class man.

SaifMalley
03-24-2015, 07:42 PM
Conrad does seem to be setting up two kinds of reality. Throughout the novel there are contradictions everywhere. At some points Marlow praises imperialism, while at others he is overly critical of it, and the same goes for Kurtz who criticizes imperialism, but at the same time exploits native Africans. The imperialism is justified by the "intention" of bringing light and civilization to Africa, but in reality they only bring darkness, cruelty, and misery. However, back in Europe, Kurtz's Intended is naive about everything and truly believes in the efforts of European imperialism. Clearly, Conrad is creating two realities and it is ambiguous, leaving the reader confused about his own intentions.

samanthajones
03-24-2015, 07:54 PM
Conrad seems to be setting up two kinds of realities throughout the novel. The first contradictory reality he poses is how everyone views Kurtz as an idol, a man with great power, and someone who should be looked up to and praised for his amazing work. On the other hand, Conrad also shows Kurtz as a greedy man who is selfish and only works to make ivory by exploiting the natives through un-imperialistic tactics, going against they ways he was taught. Through these two realities, one must judge Kurtz on their own and try to grab a good idea of who Kurtz is really supposed to be. Another reality that is shown in two different ways is the way Marlow views his fellow Europeans. At some points throughout the book, he criticizes his peers and is against their imperialistic tactics, yet at other points in the book he is full for it and continues to degrade the natives just like the Europeans. He can't seem to agree or disagree with how the Europeans should treat the natives and how this whole imperialism thing should work. Both Marlow and Kurtz have two varied realities and the reader has to decide which Conrad is trying to portray more.

morgan_lippnik
03-24-2015, 09:00 PM
In Part III, Conrad does seem to present us with two different qualities of reality. This includes the way that Marlow does not envy the Russian, or others he's come into contact with, for being so devoted to the likes of Kurtz, yet the reader has an insight to Marlow's mind, so we know that he truly does admire Kurtz, even if he thinks of that man as just a voice. Even with that thought in our minds, we are faced with the fact that even admirers of Kurtz avoid talking too much about him, as, "it was dangerous to inquire too much"(35). It seems that throughout this story, Marlow loses respect for Kurtz anytime he runs into someone who worships him, almost as if they're blindly following him and they haven't realized the extent of danger and loss that he has caused the Company.

jrsantoro
03-24-2015, 09:08 PM
It appears that Conrad sets up an optimistic view and a pessimistic view of reality. throughout the story Marlow portrays both of these two kinds of realities. His view of Kurtz represents the optimistic aspect of his personality and his belief that they were all going to die after being attacked represents the pessimistic aspect of his personality. Although Conrad sets up two kinds of realities not everyone can see the world in two different perspectives. While Marlow sees both the good and the bad, people like Kurtz's intended (representing all women in general) can only see the positive and ignorant aspect of life. She only saw Kurtz as a good man, a perfect man, but was blind to his sins, his greed, and anything that would show a negative side of his person.

Jillianbeese
03-24-2015, 11:57 PM
Conrad initiates two impressions of realities in the novel; he twists the facts and justifications to illustrate these realities. One of the realities is the European reality, which seems to be refined and naive. This reality depicts all Europeans who fantasize over 'morally correct' decisions carried out in Africa. On the other hand, the other reality is the truth behind imperialism shown by Kurtz's testimony and Marlow's observation. This reality portrays the harsh condition of the natives, how they are treated, and how Europeans are startled of the culture shock. Ironically, the European reality Conrad characterizes is sadistic which most Europeans think that the natives are the real savages. Both of these realities are interpreted differently due to the fact that Conrad uses ominous depictions of each reality, leaving multiple variations of what is real versus what is fabricated.

Joannemachin
03-25-2015, 12:06 AM
Throughout this novella, Conrad has been setting up two kinds of reality; both the positive and negative aspects of European involvement within Africa. Women are portrayed as unaware of the truth and are seen to be naive and ignorant to the negative actions that the Europeans are continuing to be involved in. Kurtz particularly, at the beginning of the novella, is also unaware of the horror and cruelty that he/they are placing upon these Africans. However, by the end of the novella, as Kurtz is about to pass away, he exclaims “The horror! The horror!”. Kurtz realises that what the European’s have been doing, is wrong, which shows that he does realise what he has been doing all this time is inconsiderate to the Natives. The Natives symbolise the savagery within the nation and the Europeans continued inability to end this uncivilisation.*They are typically ruled by Kurtz, again showing the influential power that the Europeans have over the Natives. Although the Europeans, especially Kurtz, orders and manipulates the Natives, the Natives still admire, and respond to his orders. Marlow always sees the best in everyone, including Kurtz. By the end of the novella, Marlow wants to keep Kurtz’ reputation, of how he once was, rather then who he had become, when talking to his relatives. He has extreme sympathy, and see’s both the good Kurtz did with regard to the natives, but also the corruption that Kurtz put upon the ivory trade.

Hoyt Crance
03-25-2015, 12:25 AM
Conrad is indeed attempting to create two distinct kinds of realities in the story. The first reality that Conrad depicts in the story is that many goals and motives in life are generated and supported by one's own greed. Simply, people make decisions based upon how it affects themselves and often do not care how others are affected. This is demonstrated in the story when many of the station managers claim that they wish they could be in Kurtz's position and wish that they could be a part of the major business. Also, this reality is represented in the story by the constant optimism demonstrated by the pilgrims and how they always seemed like they were willing to work because they wanted. The other reality that Conrad depicts in the story is that when people achieve full power and full economic success, they often become corrupt and are never satisfied with what they have. In the story, Kurtz is originally described as being a charismatic man who seemed to be almost God like. However, as the story progresses, it becomes evident that Kurtz had to take part in some nasty and inhuman behaviors in order to reach the success that he originally desired. Thus, Conrad is able to demonstrate how easy it is to be corrupted when a top of a business or corporation.

anastasiagrant
03-25-2015, 12:46 AM
I think Conrad does seem to be setting up two kinds of reality, the civilized world in which Marlow was accustomed to and the savage world in Africa. In the civilized world, which Marlow comes to hate, people are pretentious and they are all safe, going about their petty tasks with little danger to their immediate lives. However, in Africa everything is different, Marlow seems to always be on the lookout for those wishing him harm and priorities seem to shift. Time does not matter anymore and lives are freely dispensed with. I think the only way I can reconcile with this statement is to accept the fact that when you go to different places, the expectations and mannerisms can be different. Your values will change and one must be a survivalist everywhere.

rileygerdau
03-25-2015, 01:33 AM
It does seem like Conrad is setting up two kinds of realities. There is the reality of the whites and the reality of the natives. The reality of the whites is is the civilized reality. This reality consists of order and technology. The natives reality is barbaric and brutal. The natives don't have a sense of what the the Europeans reality is because they have never experienced it. These realities are ironic because the natives reality is thought of as the more savage but really the Europeans act in a more savage way than the natives.

WillDo
03-25-2015, 04:43 AM
Conrad does set up two kinds of realities. An example of this is Kurtz. Most people see Kurtz as a god to them, and is known as a remarkable man of special skills and talens in the company. The reality is that Kurtz is a selfish and man who covets money, wealth, and power. As people see Kurtz as an idol to them, the real side of Kurtz is that he's cruel becaouse his greedy and selfish attitude.

sdebbas
03-25-2015, 11:22 AM
I think Conrad does seem to be setting up two kinds of reality throughout the story; people who have a voice and those that do not. I think everyone has a voice, it is just whether they use it or not. He seems to admire those whose with a voice, who use it, and say what they have to say.

Ethan Hanson
03-25-2015, 12:42 PM
Conrad does set up two realties throughout the story. One example would be the "civilized" whites, they are well mannered and have knowledge and technology, Kurtz could be viewed this way in the beginning of the novel. However, the second type of reality is the natives and the Europeans, the natives act like "savages" they are wild and have no sense of law and order, they are fierce and violent. However the Europeans and the natives have different views on reality. The natives are not used to the European culture/reality, however throughout the novel we are to determine if the Europeans are more brutal violent and cruel or possibly more "savage" than the natives.

MorganDuss
03-25-2015, 01:57 PM
I think the two kinds of reality that Conrad is setting up in the novel is the reality of whites, and the reality of the natives. the reality of whites seems to be portrayed as primarily civilized and imperialistic. Whereas the reality of the natives seems to be described as cannibalistic and savage-like. The whites Western culture had a huge impact of greed on the natives and eventually seem to act more like the natives.

annap
03-25-2015, 02:34 PM
Conrad sets up the reality that the white Europeans are civilized and the African natives are savages. The Europeans dress properly and are the superior race over the dirty natives. The two qualities of false reality are racist and stereotypical for the time. It is ironic however, that the "civilized" Europeans beat up the natives and treat them like animals. I believe that overall, the natives act a lot more civilized and normal than the whites because they are just attempting to carry out their normal lives. The Aftican natives are the ones being invaded. Their lives are uprooted by the Europeans and because of this, their health is plummeting. Even though Conrad attempts to set up two kinds of realities, the realities are actually the opposite.

Natashacaravia
03-25-2015, 03:16 PM
conrad initiates 2 impressions of realities in the book. he twists the facts and justification to illustrate these realities. on of them is the european reality which seems to be refined and naive while the other reality shows the harsh conditions of the natives and what they undergo

kristinyinn
03-25-2015, 03:33 PM
Conrad does seem to be setting up two kinds of reality, the reality of imperialism and the reality of the “Heart of Darkness” (of human nature). Throughout the book he depicts the reality of imperialism and its grotesque natures, through vivid descriptions of the treatments of Native Africans. He question the reader whether the “White Man’s Burden” is actually just. The other reality Conrad depicts is the darkness of human nature, especially seen in Kurtz who has been devoured by greed.

Sydney Davis
03-25-2015, 06:01 PM
I believe that Conrad seems to be setting up two kinds of qualities of reality. On one hand there are the people who have become successful such as Kurtz, who has become wealthy in live. The whites can also take part in this as they are civilized. On the other hand there are the people who haven't become as successful, such as the Natives. They can also be seen as uncivilized.

Collin Stark
03-25-2015, 06:53 PM
Conrad seems to create two kinds of reality in The Heart of Darkness using the alternative perspectives of the natives vs colonists. Conrad creates a surface reality by creating situations that force the reader to create a deeper meaning an understanding of events that occur. The difference of perspectives brings two realities, one that is cloaked in mystery and full of lies and one that is truthful and alarming, which allows Conrad to create a story that is both straight forward and full of deep meaning.

spencercornman
03-25-2015, 07:01 PM
Conrad depicts Kurtz in a peculiar state and two kinds of reality. Kurtz is shown as a hero and an idol to the natives who believe he is trying to help them and is on their side in the oppression by the Europeans. In reality though, Kurtz is an evil man who is still set with the determination of obtaining maximum wealth and represents the true conventions of the Europeans. The civilized reality is different than the savage reality. Ergo, the two realities are corruption and hope.

Patrick M
03-25-2015, 07:11 PM
There are two types of realities created by Conrad. On one hand the "civilized" people of Europe see themselves as helping and teaching the uneducated, godless people of the Congo. Once Marlow arrives in Africa you begin to see hints of the actual reality and these get more pronounced as the book goes on. In truth the reality seen by the people of the Congo and the whites working there is that life in Africa is brutal and often short. The whites do business by stealing from and manipulating the native population and the natives suffer for it. They are in no way being enlightened or helped.

corinnetaylor
03-25-2015, 07:44 PM
I think Conrad does set up two kinds of realities in the book because we see the 'evil' Europeans who will do whatever they can to make a little money and on the other hand we see the 'savage' natives who are being invaded on and worked to death. Marlow sees the bad sides of both realities, and towards the end of the book he finally comes to the conclusion that the world might just be an evil place where no good people can live and/ or thrive.

elle
03-25-2015, 08:12 PM
Yes, Conrad does seem to be setting up two kinds or qualities of reality in this story. On one side, you have the reality of the rest of the world who is not in the Congo, but still in their home countries, completely oblivious to what is really going on. Their view is that they are enlightening and helping the African people so they can live more like them, live better. Then, on the other hand, you have the actual reality, what is really going on in the Congo. The African people are being abused, tortured, and taken advantage of by the Europeans who are only down there to become richer and have a sense of power. They aren't there to help the African people, to better the African people. They are there on selfish terms, only to gain something they want, not to provide guidance and help to the Africans.

kazhir
03-25-2015, 08:32 PM
Yes, Conrad sets up two kinds of reality. He does so by showing how the colonizers and Kurtz and his men live, which is in a civilized and mannerly fashion, and then he displays the Natives as savages and crazy "animals". He introduces one set of Natives who join Marlow on the journey on the river as cannibals to further support the idea of the Natives as being beastly "grotesque" animals. He shows how both sides survive, and they contrast greatly. One side works to live, and the other side lives to work.

mmurai
03-25-2015, 09:09 PM
During the book Conrad is setting up two realities but is making them very ambitious so that the reader can draw their own conclusions on which is the reality they believe. The heart of darkness is describes as being the Congo in which the natives are uncivilized and must be helped by the europeans through white man's burden. However, instead of bringing the "light" that the europeans were intending to bring they through darkness through death, despair and slavery. This raises the question of whether the heart of darkness is really the Congo or England with its spread of imperialism. There is also the pessimistic and optimistic views on life which can be most easily identified with through Marlow, Kurtz and Kurtz Intended. These contradictions are intended by Conrad to allow the reader to make their own conclusion about the realities of the book.

lrempalski
03-25-2015, 09:11 PM
Conrad sets up two contrasting kinds of realities in the novel, the reality of the whites and the reality of the native people. The Europeans in Africa live a reality of advanced technology and luxury. This reality is far from the reality of the native people who are described as savage and uncivilized. The natives reality is also characterized through the treatment of the natives by the Europeans. What is ironic about these two separate realities is that the Europeans are fully capable of helping the struggling native people, but they do not. There is also something to be said about how the Europeans treat the native people as savage and inhuman while the Europeans are the ones taking advantage of and dehumanizing others.

Benkashanchi
03-25-2015, 09:27 PM
I do believe that Conrad attempts to establish two types of reality throughout the novel. The first reality is a false one, and could better be described as an illusion. To the Europeans, their reality is one that is based off of simplicity and ignorance. The world revolves around them; they worry about the little things like "filching a little money from each other" and are unable to realize the dangers of the world on a broader scale. They mistakenly believe they are worthy of enlightening other civilizations, but the true reality of the situation shows they are entirely incapable of doing so. This other reality that Conrad shows exemplifies the effects of greed and power and shows that other civilizations suffer at the hands of people who live in a bubble, like the Europeans, who "could not possibly know the things [that Marlow] knew."

Chris N.
03-25-2015, 09:32 PM
Conrad is setting up two qualities of reality, the fabricated reality in which the Europeans are planning to civilize the African people and the actual reality of it which is the Europeans occupying Africa simply for its financial gain and to take advantage of the african natives in helping them do so. The natives are living in the fabricated reality believing that the Europeans occupation is truly benefiting them to grow as a civilization and that people like Kurtz have the sole purpose of helping others besides themselves and only care about doing so and this makes him a very admirable figure head to the natives. But on the other hand Conrad tells us that their real intentions are quite the opposite. The Europeans including Kurtz could care less for the improvement of the natives life in Africa, they care for the gain of wealth they get in it all. To me there is simply a fabricated reality that the Europeans have formed due to the natives ignorance and the harsh, true reality involving the greed and corruption of the Europeans taking advantage of the Africa's people and resources.

cboehm1
03-25-2015, 09:35 PM
Yes, Conrad seems to be setting up two qualities of reality. First, there is the reality of the Europeans, who enter a foreign nation, and essentially rape the wealth and resources without any benefit for the natives. Second, there is the reality of the natives, who are the scapegoats of European greed, and whose nation is set-back because of the racism, greed, and false superiority of the Europeans.

ZackF
03-25-2015, 09:54 PM
I do believe that Conrad is setting up two types of realities. One of the realities is of the horrors that truly go in the jungle. The natives are viewed as savages and even compared to animals. However, Marlows view of the Europeans proves that the true animals are the greedy europeans attempting to imperialize africa. The other reality is that of civilization. The whites believe they represent class and order and are attempting to bring the same to Africa.

Greeneyk
03-25-2015, 10:03 PM
Conrad clearly creates two kinds of reality. This can be seen in Marlow's conflicting view points. Sometimes Marlow seems to idolize Kurtz, but Kurtz is actually selfish and lives in search of ivory and power. In addition, Marlow always comes off sympathetic to the natives when describing their condition, especially in the grove of death, but when his boat is being attacked by the natives he clearly does not tell his men to stop firing off into the wilderness. Another example is what Europeans believe is going on in Africa and what Marlow knows to be actually true of what is occurring in Europe. When he goes to visit his aunt and Kurtz's Intended, both are ignorant of the brutality going on in Africa. Both believe Europeans are bringing goodness to the natives. Marlow states in the end, "[Europeans] were intruders whose knowledge of life was to me irritating pretense, because I felt so sure they could not possibly know the things I knew," (44). Conrad created the European's perspective on African and Marlow's perspective on Africa. In the end, Conrad has created two realities which help further the reader's knowledge of the story while also confusing the reader of what point is he trying to address to readers.

AlexK
03-25-2015, 10:18 PM
Conrad sets up two kinds of reality: men and women's realities. Men's reality includes the knowledge of the situation and cruelty in Africa, while women's reality is more "idealistic". In women's reality, expedition in Africa serves only educational or recreational purposes, or people could go there to earn some money. Women had no real idea about the slavery system occurring in Africa. But women don't really need to know about all the horrible things going on in Africa. They live peacefully without this knowledge, which would not make them any good.

nicksandoval
03-25-2015, 10:26 PM
Yes Joseph Conrad does seem to be creating two kinds or qualities of reality in Heart of Darkness. This is evident in how Marlow describes many things in Africa as unreal, foreign or from another world. Many times Marlow talks about Africa like it is a different world. The humans living there, the immense jungle and the events that take place are all foreign and unreal to Marlow, and is truly a different reality for him. Also, when he goes back to the Company headquarters, the difference in realities is evident because everything seems so normal and everyone is unaffected by what is really going on and it irritates Marlow. He says he watched people walk around with stupid importance, he knows they haven’t seen what he has seen.

cdowning
03-25-2015, 10:33 PM
Yes, Conrad does most notably towards the closer Marlow gets to the "Heart of Darkness". As the journey continues it gets more gruesome and shocking as Marlow travels farther and farther into the wilderness. Once Marlow is deep into the wilderness Conrad constantly brings up the dreamlike state Marlow is in. Also for the entire duration of the book Conrad continues to refer to the river as older and even prehistoric which sets up a scenario similar to the dreamlike state in which there is another reality. Also due to the different types of people encountered such as innocent westerners like Marlow, evil ones like Kurtz, and the natives who only want peace.

taylorolson1123
03-25-2015, 10:39 PM
Conrad seems to be setting up different qualities of reality throughout the novel. At one point there is a reality that the Europeans are described as the civilized society while the natives are barbaric savages. The irony in this is that the whites are the ones with no morals, who are brutal, and filled with evil and greed. On the other hand, we see the native Congo’s in misery or dead. The author seems to contradict imperialism because it is supposed to bring light and civilization into Africa, but really it is bringing darkness and cruelty among the civilization.

wesleyr237
03-25-2015, 10:52 PM
Conrad appears to be setting up two kinds of qualities or ways of life in that one is the events that actually occur in the heart of darkness and the horrors that could be observed through the book. While the other quality of life is what is perceived back in Europe as what is actually occurring there, and it could be seen from Marlowe's aunt in her way of describing what they were doing over there as civilizing the savages.

maxwellspearson
03-25-2015, 10:53 PM
Conrad does a good job setting up multiple realities within the novella. He is sets up the reality of the common person who views Africa of a place that needs saving and the Europeans are doing the lorts work to help them. Then there is the reality of those who come to Africa to work at the company. Here we see a more realist view of what is actually happening there and it ain't too holy. He does this to show us how one way of life doesn't fit everything. Europeans do not have the answer to everything.

Easy
03-25-2015, 10:54 PM
Yes, Conrad is setting up two realities, the first is Marlows recollection of the happenings in Africa, Much of which could be and likely is flawed due to it being from an unreliable source, the hum,an memory. and the second is the reality of how the civilized people of Europe see the events in Africa, where murderers are hailed as Heros.

Bostgeme
03-25-2015, 10:55 PM
Yes, Conrad sets up two significantly different types of reality in the story. One being the reality of the ivory traders leaders made up primarily of white men. These men represent greed, evilness and selfishness. The other reality is that of the natives who are powerless and barbaric like in the jungle. These two realities are ironic because towards the end of the story the white reality ends up being more animalistic and they do anything they have to in order to obtain the ivory which they so desire.

KLyle
03-25-2015, 10:56 PM
Conrad does set up two kind of reality, but only to the extent of present versus past. Conrad refrains as far as I can recall from referencing the future. Conrad spends a lot of time in his past, perhaps a reference to how many people manage to live largely in their past and think about the experiences they've already had versus the experiences to come. He also may tell the story from the perspective of another man to separate his own views from that of Marlow, versus as if he were telling the story from himself. It adds a very interesting dimension to the story.

fitbyaddie
03-25-2015, 10:58 PM
There are many biblical references and the Conrad includes the terms “pilgrims” and “disciples.” He also makes Kurtz seem like he is above everyone else. Marlow sees him as a God-like figure.

sidshah
03-25-2015, 10:59 PM
I do believe Conrad is setting up two different kinds of realities in the book. One side of the reality is how the women and socially influenced men of the era view the imperialism of Europe, and the other side is how rational and sympathetic people like Marlow see it. In history, when slaves or a community of people are put down, often it is not the result of only one person, but many, and maybe even an entire government such as Hitler. He influenced and brainwashed people into blindly committing acts they would never commit by lying about a people, and the same is being done here in Africa. Women and the men are blind to the evils they perform on other humans whereas Marlow clearly sees the suffering the vast majority of Africans are in.

Neil Castro
03-25-2015, 11:11 PM
Conrad sees to set up two kinds of reality because Europeans should be helping Africans to become more civilized and better people but in reality they are using them for their own purpose. Europeans are more uncivilized than Africans because they treat them like slaves but we born to not be slaves we born free and no one should have the power to take our freedom away

MartySparty
03-25-2015, 11:28 PM
I think that that Conrad is trying to establish only one reality. He's trying to establish the reality of the Imperialism and how it was falsely portrayed as an attempt to help the natives and an attempt to "civilize" them. The natives were obviously being used like workhorses to get that ivory and weren't really being helped in any way. They died by the thousands during this European attempts at Imperialism but all of that was being covered up.

tchoe
03-25-2015, 11:30 PM
Conrad does seem to be setting up two kinds of realities. one is the reality of the people who live in Europe and have no idea of what is going on in Africa. They don't know of the wilderness and savagery and all they know is that it brings back money and fame. The other reality is the real one in which people who visit Africa see for the first tiem the real horrors of imperialism. They are able to see the killings and the suffering and know that the wilderness can drive a man crazy. They are affected for the rest of their lives.

bhong3211
03-26-2015, 12:07 AM
He seems to depict two, but only one is the true reality. The realities are that Kurtz is a great man because he gets tasks done so efficiently and quickly, and he gets what he wants and makes a lot of money, but the reality is that he is doing this by committing evil actions such as putting the natives into slave like labor and basically killing them because they are not treated humanely. The imperialists like Kurtz come to Africa to "help" them because they think that they are barbarians when the imperialists themselves are the barbarians.

Amin Taherabadi
03-26-2015, 01:26 AM
Conrad's extremist or optimistic view and worst perception or view on things slows the realities regarding both marlow and kurtz. Marlow is able to see both the goodness and badness, while kurtz is representing some women can only see the positive and ignorant aspect of life while. kurtz presents a mysterious character, not open to his sins or greed while he is a great person.

Emily Schwartz
03-26-2015, 01:42 AM
Conrad does set up two kinds of realities or qualities in this novel. He does so with the character Kurtz. Kurtz is praised for being one of the best agents, and a powerful man and contributor. People envy him and praise him endlessly without even knowing him personally. The other side of Kurtz is hidden, but has always been there. He is seen as "demonistic", greedy and selfish. Kurtz's true personality is judged by the reader, and they have to decide which reality is the truth about Kurtz.

Katie Craig
03-26-2015, 02:26 AM
I think Conrad's two kinds of reality are between what is moral and what is immoral. The interesting thing about these two qualities is the fact that Conrad constantly blurs the lines between them and never sets a firm idea as to what he thinks is moral and not. Through out the journey Marlow acts solely as a narrator to the story and rarely makes judgements about the European imperialistic ideas, the way the natives are being treated, Marlow, etc. he states what is actually going on and lets the reader make judgements about what is good and bad. The two kinds of reality that Conrads allows in his story is really up for the reader to create.

Skylarcrenshaw
03-26-2015, 06:55 PM
Yes he is setting up the surface and the actual reality. The surface reality to the whites is that they are helping these people and teaching them the western way. While the true reality is they are destroying these people. They are taking aways their homes, culture, and lives. An example of Conrad splitting up reality is how Kurtz is viewed by everyone as a God and extremely successful. When the truth is he has had to do awful things to get where he is and now he is extremely weak because of it.

megashark
03-26-2015, 09:46 PM
Conrad absolutely is setting up two kinds of reality. There is the surface reality, and the truth. The surface reality is what everyone on the outside and everyone who is ignorant sees. It shows that European colonization is a great thing. That it is civilizing the Africans and is fair and brings economic prosperity to all. However the other reality is hidden, but it is the truth. The truth is that the Africans are horribly exploited and massacres for only a few to get extremely rich.