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DanielBenoit

10-15-2009, 11:42 PM

There seems so few of us out there, we seem to have definitley died out since the 20s' :cold:

So who's your personal favorite? Is modern jazz any good? Share some of your favorite tunes from Youtude.

As for me, I would have to say that Louis Armstrong is an artist who completely embodied the spirit and joy of jazz, he was a true man of heart and ecstasy and will live forever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmfeKUNDDYs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Hbh_-IRs8

Though I must admit, this is probably the greatest jazz video I've ever seen on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4TbrgIdm0E

Here's one of the most beautiful things ever concieced in the 20th century, Glenn Miller certianly is vastly underappretiated. This is a deeply personal song for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n92ATE3IgIs

Dirtbag

10-16-2009, 07:56 AM

My problem with modern jazz is that half the time it just sounds like old jazz. But I think a lot of musicians have and continue to keep the growth going by taking old aspects of jazz and adding more modern techniques. Like the Mars Volta, Portishead, and A Tribe Called Quest. We can't forget about jazz fusion bands either. Like Mahavishnu Orchestra and Return to Forever. This is getting a little off topic though.

My favourite jazz musician was probably Miles Davis due to his ever changing style and his ability to completely concentrate that style within himself. I've always thought of him as a true jazz man even though purists vehemently disagree.

There are so many greats keyboard players that I personally idolize for their creativity and their energy but Bill Evans plays with a style that reaches me deeply.

I've always liked this video.

Waltz For Debby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2LFVWBmoiw

Modern Jazz Quartet - Django
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmpLtYmSlvM

Chick Corea & John McLaughlin - 7/15/81 - La Baleine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA6ox3Pc7Ho

The Inhabitants is a modern jazz band that I think is worth checking out.

http://www.myspace.com/theinhabitants

*Classic*Charm*

10-16-2009, 05:37 PM

I'm a Dave Brubeck fan. I've seen his quartet live twice now and they're just incredible. He's almost 90 years old and just keeps on truckin'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V9VSxn2F9M&feature=related

stlukesguild

10-16-2009, 09:54 PM

After classical music, jazz is probably my biggest musical love. I have no problem with the notion that the best jazz may just be equal to a great deal of the best classical of the last century. Indeed, I greatly suspect that the music of Miles Davis, Thelonious Monk, Duke Ellington and others will long outlast that of Boulez, Schoenberg, Cage, Stockhausen and many others of the more esoteric strains of classical music.

My personal preference in jazz is for music of the Bop era... and especially for small groups (Miles, Monk, Coletrane, Brubeck, Lennie Tristano, Charlie Parker, The Modern Jazz Quartet etc...) although I love the big bands of Ellington, Armstrong, Goodman, Count Basie, Gillespie, etc...

Modern jazz can be quite interesting. I have very little patience with most rock or blues/jazz fusion and even less with the free-form works of Ornette Coleman etc... I like what the Marsalis brothers have brought to jazz, but I agree that (especially in the case of Winton) the results may not be all that original, but rather a very, very good continuation of a tradition. Indeed, I find his strongest work to be found in his series of "Standards" recordings. Perhaps the most interesting new jazz, however, in my opinion, is to be found coming out of Europe and involving a merger with elements of various ethnic traditions, classical music, folk music etc... Among some of the most intriguing I would include Anouar Brahem, the French Tunisian artist who creates music that merges elements of traditional Arabic/Islamic music with elements of French folk music, and French classical music (especially that of Erik Satie and Impressionism) as well as jazz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_q5JuleA4E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOPK0TCy-bw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUsh_KCqE8A

Brahem frequently works with the French pianist Francois Couturier, who is an interesting artist in his own right. He brings a more Modernist Classical European sensibility as well as elements of Japanese music (Takemitsu especially) to his work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G72vbe4j7zo

Following in the Arabic-Jazz tradition I would highly recommend the recording, Making Music by Zakir Hussain with John McLaughlin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6oumW5ZuGk

The East Europeans and Scandinavians also bring something interesting to the mix. Take for example the Tord Gustavsen Trio with their icy, precise jazz infused minimalism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVst12PvZJI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohe4ymCgyl4

Or the Polish Tomasz Stanko Quartet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fz9_dLyeSo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_XRVq46JHg

jocky

10-16-2009, 10:08 PM

At last a post worth listening to. Try Jethro Tull, MY SUNDAY FEELING.

Virgil

10-16-2009, 10:38 PM

jocky

10-16-2009, 10:56 PM

For me it's Duke Ellington.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brqxEdwsTQs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnZeQI76Hlg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVrIYpty4YA&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhK-zYfFsIY

I didn't watch them all Virgil, at least I am honest ,almost, but that was pretty cool. Now for the easy part, define jazz. If you dont reply within thirty seconds, I will take it you dont know what you are talking about. Send your reply to Cleo and Johnny :lol:

jocky

10-16-2009, 11:42 PM

There seems so few of us out there, we seem to have definitley died out since the 20s' :cold:

So who's your personal favorite? Is modern jazz any good? Share some of your favorite tunes from Youtude.

As for me, I would have to say that Louis Armstrong is an artist who completely embodied the spirit and joy of jazz, he was a true man of heart and ecstasy and will live forever.

Dan, Jazz comes in so many shapes and sizes it is pretty hard to define. Kirk Rowland to Acker Bilk. The blues you can nearly define, but jazz you cannot. Was Louis Armstrong a Jazzman or a chrysalis of the things to come? I agree with Daniel that heart and ecstasy will live forever, however we all agree on one thing, where would we be without our music? :)

AuntShecky

10-17-2009, 11:52 AM

Louis, of course. Fletcher Henderson. BIX!
The Duke, the Count. Pianists like Earl Hines, Errol Garner, Dave McKenna, Bill Evans -- the list goes on and on! Dave Brubeck Quartet, MJQ.

Stan Getz. Gerry Mulligan. The tragically underrated Woody Herman.

Don't listen to anything else until you hear:
Benny Goodman -- Live at Carnegie Hall. "Sing, Sing, Sing"
and --
Duke Ellington's famous 1956 Newport Jazz Concert--especially the extended solo by Paul Gonsalves on"Diminuendo and Crescendo in Blue."

I admire the avant-garde jazz artists who came after Miles, but I wish I could say I "liked" it.

By contrast, some of the artists lately who say they are "jazz" artists are a little lily-livered, sort of superficial. I'm not mentioning any names. But I think you know who I mean.

But they are many contemporary jazz artists who are innovative without being too inaccessible. Wayne Shorter and Billy Taylor are still around, I think. I like Bill Cunliffe and Pete Yellin. Also Harry Connick, Jr. may often step into the "pop" arena, but I never heard anything by him that I
didn't totally enjoy!

I'd better stop or I'll be here all afternoon. But I think you've given me the impetus actually to start a blog!

PS-- try this website-- they post a new free jazz
video every day!
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/jazzvideos.php

DocHeart

10-19-2009, 01:55 PM

Miss Peggy Lee, Things are Swingin'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8G27ciXssQ

Virgil

10-19-2009, 07:41 PM

Louis, of course. Fletcher Henderson. BIX!
The Duke, the Count. Pianists like Earl Hines, Errol Garner, Dave McKenna, Bill Evans -- the list goes on and on! Dave Brubeck Quartet, MJQ.

Stan Getz. Gerry Mulligan. The tragically underrated Woody Herman.

Don't listen to anything else until you hear:
Benny Goodman -- Live at Carnegie Hall. "Sing, Sing, Sing"
and --
Duke Ellington's famous 1956 Newport Jazz Concert--especially the extended solo by Paul Gonsalves on"Diminuendo and Crescendo in Blue."

I admire the avant-garde jazz artists who came after Miles, but I wish I could say I "liked" it.

By contrast, some of the artists lately who say they are "jazz" artists are a little lily-livered, sort of superficial. I'm not mentioning any names. But I think you know who I mean.

But they are many contemporary jazz artists who are innovative without being too inaccessible. Wayne Shorter and Billy Taylor are still around, I think. I like Bill Cunliffe and Pete Yorn. Also Harry Connick, Jr. may often step into the "pop" arena, but I never heard anything by him that I
didn't totally enjoy!

I'd better stop or I'll be here all afternoon. But I think you've given me the impetus actually to start a blog!

PS-- try this website-- they post a new free jazz
video every day!
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/jazzvideos.php
Thanks for that website Aunty. Oh I forgot Stan Getz. I just love his sax.

Miss Peggy Lee, Things are Swingin'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8G27ciXssQ

Peggy Lee is great. I also love Rosemary Clooney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O07SVoCyFP4

Babbalanja

10-19-2009, 08:09 PM

I love 60's/70's jazz, and here's Eric Dolphy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKDAbp9m5yw) ripping it up with Mingus's band.

John Coltrane (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UHZaqG87N0&feature=related) was one of the old guard, but he skronked it up with the best of them. This performance of Vigil is like a mini-Ascension.

Ornette Coleman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbgzFRB3mHQ&feature=related) is The Man of modern jazz, and here he plays at Birdland with James Blood Ulmer on guitar.

Albert Ayler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtiSA2RKDzc) and Sun Ra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyUjgYuYR0c&feature=related) were free-jazz legends in the 60's. Ayler had a raw evangelical fervor to his music, but Sun Ra always seemed like Duke Ellington on acid.

One last blast: the shambolic Cecil Taylor Unit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyUjgYuYR0c&feature=related) and one of their quantum jazz compositions, Unit Structures.

AuntShecky

11-13-2009, 02:59 PM

Bet you've forgotten what today was, but this ditty might
take the sting out of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxAmgsI7ve0&feature=related

BlueSkyGB

11-13-2009, 03:36 PM

Thelonious Monk....when I just want to listen
Coltrane..who I sought to imitate when I was a music major...:D
and of course Billie Holiday....her phrasing is always a pleasure
I have many other favs....but I find my taste runs more towards the blues side of jazz.....

I tend to find the current crop of jazz players...well their playing is good..
but they seem to lack soul..if you know what I mean

and like has been said before....
the one, the only...
Louis Armstrong......

crisaor

11-27-2009, 03:40 PM

I'm another fan.

Miles is my all-time favourite, though his latter, more innovative works hold less interest for me.

Others include John Coltrane, Wes Montgomery, Stan Getz, and Astor Piazzolla (I consider his style to be jazz with bandoneon, not tango).

As a final note, I should mention I despise most of the "singer jazz". Diana Krall is in my enemy list. :smash:

billl

11-27-2009, 09:18 PM

I have listened to a lot, and won't spend time on the supremely worthy contingent of jazz greats that everyone knows quite well. I'm somehow more interested in pointing at a couple of artists that popped into my head and, over the course of ten minutes contemplating the topic, haven't been outdone in relative novelty and greatness (imo).

First, my second favorite Pharoah Saunders performance (not that I've heard more than a fraction of them, but still):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV5ObaaQCV0&feature=related
(I had to pause it and let the "buffer" build for a while. The video loaded slowly... It might for you, too, and it's a long track.)

Second, I want to mention Bill Frisell. Here's one of the best tracks (one of!) off of a great album called Blues Dream:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL4DRT1zogE

stlukesguild

11-28-2009, 12:20 AM

As a final note, I should mention I despise most of the "singer jazz". Diana Krall is in my enemy list.

I don't know if you are suggesting that you hate all jazz singers... because I personally love any number of them: Count Basie with Joe Williams, Jimmy Scott, Nat King Cole, Frank Sinatra, Billy Holiday... to say nothing of any number of the singers who performed with Benny Goodman, Duke Ellington, Louis Armstrong, etc... This past Wednesday I spent much of the morning cleaning the den/library/computer room in anticipation of guests coming for the holiday. Much of the time was spent cleaning to the accompaniment of Louis Armstrong Plays W.C. Handy...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2437/4140138120_642c2c751a_o.jpg

...one of the absolute essential jazz recordings with Armstrong magnificently playing out on songs by the true "father of the blues"... one of the absolute founders of jazz: W.C. Handy. Armstrong in joined amiably by Velma Middleton on vocals and the banter between the two performers conveys an absolute unadulterated joy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2TUlUwa3_o

crisaor

11-28-2009, 12:08 PM

[COLOR="DarkRed"]I don't know if you are suggesting that you hate all jazz singers... because I personally love any number of them: Count Basie with Joe Williams, Jimmy Scott, Nat King Cole, Frank Sinatra, Billy Holiday... to say nothing of any number of the singers who performed with Benny Goodman, Duke Ellington, Louis Armstrong, etc...
Not all of them, no, but I do tend to prefer unsung jazz. There are some notable exceptions (like Astrud Gilberto, love her voice), but they are the minority for me. I was mostly referring to this relatively new wave of "jazz singers", that seem more like refined pop stars that don't really do jazz IMO (Krall, Jamie Callum, Michael Bublé, to name a few). When people refer to the genre as "vocal jazz", they don't think of any of the greats you mentioned, I fear.

AuntShecky

11-28-2009, 03:36 PM

Re: jazz singers.

One of the big problems I have w. pop music of the last 3 or 4 decades is that it's very heavy on two things: electric guitars and vocals. Quick-- name any pop hit from 1970 to today that is strictly an instrumental. Bet you can't do that.

By contrast, in jazz, the vocalist is often an afterthought and not the main attraction, although I hasten to say that among jazz singers, I prefer male vocalists (Joe Williams, Mel Tormé, and yes, Sinatra) to female chanteuses --except for Ethel (Waters), Billie, Ella, and Sarah, and a couple of others. Not too crazy about Jimmy Scott, a little too stylized for my taste.

I would never put Diana Krall on my enemies list, but I do prefer her piano playing to her singing. Her piano style is superb, I think. There are parts of a video (a clip from the IFC show "Spectacle") which features her version of "Night Train" . If you closed your eyes, you'd think you were listening to Oscar Peterson.

Dinkleberry2010

11-28-2009, 10:02 PM

It is said that jazz originated in the twentieth century, but if you listen to Beriloz's Symphonie Fantastique, you would swear that a part of it is jazz.

DocHeart

03-15-2011, 04:19 PM

Big Band!

Woody Herman and his Swingin' Herd - Caldonia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voTQKRE361I

LitNetIsGreat

03-17-2011, 08:23 PM

I had an incredible "jazz high" experience the other day after listening to Charlie Parker for a couple of hours. There's a great playlist here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTORd2Y_X6U&playnext=1&list=PLA0883CBD5D1270EA (Hope that goes to the playlist and not just the single track - I think the new Youtube set-up is rubbish).

Going to try and re-live that tomorrow, I think - I hope!

Mutatis-Mutandis

03-17-2011, 10:58 PM

I'm really into fusion more than anything--those who think jazz has become stagnant seem to ignore fusion or write it off. Personally, I think it's the most creative genre out there.

Some of my contemporary favorites:

Blotted Science (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHAUQNTwYZo)
Liquid Tension Experiment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pofqHfSvy_8)
Canvas Solaris (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65SkufDQP6M&feature=related)
Bela Fleck and the Flecktones (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50xzhDO9lI)
Animals as Leaders (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ho4-tExpTE)
Planet X (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el_QuSkb84E)

Emil Miller

03-18-2011, 08:22 AM

This is the kind of thing that brings back memories of a misspent youth. I had a number of LPs of American bands from the 1920s but I preferred the British revivalists because they had greater presence and were more inventive. I never liked modern jazz, that couldn't be danced to and always seemed to me to be pretentious. The jazz revival in the UK was very big and there were a host of bands playing in dance halls, pubs and concert halls. It was a great time to be alive but I wouldn't want to be that young again unless it were with what I know now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh_7N12a_sI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDyb3LsjKIg

LitNetIsGreat

03-18-2011, 05:46 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fgxyyrqZ-I&feature=autoplay&list=PLA0883CBD5D1270EA&index=20&playnext=13

Oh I love this...

Edit: and ko-ko.

Oh, and Miles Davis of course:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoPL7BExSQU

stlukesguild

04-01-2011, 09:30 PM

Well after a crappy day... April Fools and the first Friday the kids have had in 4 weeks due to meetings, conferences and two snow days... and I needed an evening of wings and beer... some good imported European stuff: Corsendonck Christmas Ale (on sale after the holiday), Samuel Smith Imperial Stout, and Ommegang Chocolate Indulgence (I'm saving that for last... I absolutely love Belgian beer and ale). Now its on to my favorite music for slipping slowly (or not so slowly considering the alcohol levels in this stuff) into inebriation:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5291/5580524949_ed6a859d8a.jpg

stlukesguild

04-01-2011, 10:02 PM

Moving on from jazz to the blues:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5179/5580550841_3710ac834a.jpg

:party:

LitNetIsGreat

04-28-2011, 01:58 PM

Let's hear it for Fletcher Henderson and the boys!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbXSeXFy-4k&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=AVGxdCwVVULXde8B73FbTAJ30SUuU8zvuH

Brilliant music to dance and cook sausages to!!!

Emil Miller

04-28-2011, 02:44 PM

LitNetIsGreat

04-28-2011, 02:54 PM

But not at the same time.

No, no you can do it at the same time, as long as you keep your eyes on the sausages.

Emil Miller

04-28-2011, 05:13 PM

But not to this, I would suggest.

http://youtu.be/4IFXjEgf1oM

DocHeart

05-02-2011, 01:27 PM

BlueSkyGB

05-04-2011, 02:39 PM

Moving on from jazz to the blues:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5179/5580550841_3710ac834a.jpg

:party:
Been awhile since I visited the forums and when catching up on a few threads saw this posted...
have to give a big thumbs up....Elmore is one of my favs...:yesnod:

doowoop

05-11-2011, 05:08 PM

I like jazz. And for me it does not matter period. I love Armstrong, Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, Herbie Hancock and many others, old and modern artists.

TacoButt

05-24-2011, 10:57 AM

I am going back and listening to some classic records, including Miles' "Sketches of Spain." I have always loved Gil Evans' incredible arrangements, especially with Davis' nonette group.

The arrangements on this record are very, very colorful and almost Ravel-like with delicate (fragile?) solo instruments, often in the extreme registers. It blows me away to think of these players reading through this complex stuff and by and large NAILING everything!

But in the end, the whole record feels under-rehearsed and there is something missing to "glue" the arrangements together into a singular, coherent performance that Evans/Davis envisioned. In fact, there is something nerve-wracking about it.

Does anyone else get this sense from this record? I realize I am being quasi-heretical and true jazz fans will react like I am denying Christ's divinity or something...it's just this odd feeling from listening to it...hard to put my finger on...

LitNetIsGreat

05-26-2011, 07:20 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-_ppz5cRso&feature=bf_next&list=AVGxdCwVVULXckJZiWQAU0QecgETCZtO9A&index=4

St. James Infirmary, George Lewis.

LitNetIsGreat

06-04-2011, 05:33 AM

I've Heard that Song Before performed by Harry James, featured in the film Hannah and Her Sisters (and a load of others it seems).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhH2mIWStIw

Another good version of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA2hk_CIZeo

Edit: Here's another 100!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO_4uEU312I&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=AVGxdCwVVULXdIfCRl4CcgfhrBLDM2Pyh8

LitNetIsGreat

06-17-2011, 04:57 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOwEr4UaqzM&feature=channel_video_title

Charlie Parker - My old flame. I can feel myself reaching from that Belgian beer.

Emil Miller

07-04-2011, 01:16 PM

Here are two memorable performances from the best jazz band ever produced in the UK.

http://www.we7.com/song/Chris-Barbers-Jazz-Band/Its-Tight-Like-That-The-Live-Sessions?m=0

http://www.we7.com/song/Chris-Barbers-Jazz-Band/The-World-Is-Waiting-For-the-Sunrise-The-Live-Sessions?m=0

Emil Miller

07-04-2011, 05:52 PM

And here is another.

http://youtu.be/CoKPS1YV73k

LitNetIsGreat

07-04-2011, 06:51 PM

And here is another.

http://youtu.be/CoKPS1YV73k

Hey I like that one.

Emil Miller

07-06-2011, 01:23 PM

Hey I like that one.

If you liked that one, perhaps you will like this one too, it's an early studio recording and the ensemble playing and solo work is up to the usual high standard. It's a particular favourite of mine.
You might have to close it down on the bottom bar at the end to prevent it playing other stuff.

http://www.we7.com/song/Chris-Barber--His-Jazz-Band-with-Ottilie-Patterson/Diga-Diga-Doo-from-Echoes-Of-Harlem-LP?m=0

LitNetIsGreat

07-06-2011, 03:42 PM

Yes I like that as well thanks; it makes me want to drink beer and watch Woody Allen though...

Emil Miller

07-06-2011, 05:57 PM

Yes I like that as well thanks; it makes me want to drink beer and watch Woody Allen though...

The recording predates Woody Allen, but obviously not beer which flowed aplenty in the jazz clubs and dance halls of my youth and which started at the tender age of 17 when I was finally free from school. One of my erstwhile school friends was bought a car on his 17th birthday and a gang of us used to travel around town (there was no breathalyzer in force then) to roadhouses and the like as advertised in The Melody Maker, a paper now defunct and replaced with the NME, which caters for musical illiterates who think the electric guitar is the only instrument ever invented.

LitNetIsGreat

07-06-2011, 06:11 PM

The recording predates Woody Allen, but obviously not beer which flowed aplenty in the jazz clubs and dance halls of my youth and which started at the tender age of 17 when I was finally free from school. One of my erstwhile school friends was bought a car on his 17th birthday and a gang of us used to travel around town (there was no breathalyzer in force then) to roadhouses and the like as advertised in The Melody Maker, a paper now defunct and replaced with the NME, which caters for musical illiterates who think the electric guitar is the only instrument ever invented.

Great stuff, they sound carefree times.

Not beer and Woody Allen, but lager and 12 Angry Men, such a fantastic film.

Emil Miller

07-07-2011, 06:32 AM

Great stuff, they sound carefree times.

Not beer and Woody Allen, but lager and 12 Angry Men, such a fantastic film.

I take it you are referring to the original with Henry Fonda and not some lame remake. A very good film which was the director's (Sydney Lumet) first. I take a more considered approach to such social drama these days but I wouldn't deny that the acting was first rate. I trust that the lager wasn't Carlsberg Special Brew.

LitNetIsGreat

07-07-2011, 04:49 PM

I take it you are referring to the original with Henry Fonda and not some lame remake. A very good film which was the director's (Sydney Lumet) first. I take a more considered approach to such social drama these days but I wouldn't deny that the acting was first rate. I trust that the lager wasn't Carlsberg Special Brew.

Of course it was the Henry Fonda; it's one of my favourite films, well top 10 probably. Naturally the lager wastn't Special Brew as I would rather drink non alcoholic beer than that.

At the moment I am madly in love with quality German beer - Bitburger or Warsteiner (of which I have just had three naturally), but at home I have to settle for the best of the worst with the likes of Stella, Becks etc, not good, but still better than Special Brew!

Emil Miller

07-07-2011, 06:26 PM

Of course it was the Henry Fonda; it's one of my favourite films, well top 10 probably. Naturally the lager wastn't Special Brew as I would rather drink non alcoholic beer than that.

At the moment I am madly in love with quality German beer - Bitburger or Warsteiner (of which I have just had three naturally), but at home I have to settle for the best of the worst with the likes of Stella, Becks etc, not good, but still better than Special Brew!

Well, chacun a son gout, as the saying goes, but I have to admit that the Special Brew does guarantee a good night's sleep. There is little to say about German beer, having drunk gallons of it in situe, except that it is just about as good as it gets when it comes to lager type beers, but let's not forget the Belgian brews.

LitNetIsGreat

07-07-2011, 06:35 PM

Emil Miller

07-08-2011, 06:51 PM

I had to Google, "chacun a son gout", but I suppose you are correct, anything that guarantees a stir free sleep must be good - it is just the association with nesbit drunks that I can't get passed really...

Of course Belgian beer can never, ever, be beaten in terms of quality, but the German lagers refreshing post-tennis brew is hitting the spot I must say.

Yes, but what happens when the German Reinheitsgebot is overturned for being contrary to European equality laws? At which point, all German beers will be reduced to Europiss.