yanni
11-09-2008, 07:12 AM
Readers of "Friedrich Melchior Grimm (revisited)"*(footnote 1) are perhaps aware of certain, recently added, footnotes and modifications therein seriously affecting the french philosopher's true identity and fame!
Because (hold your breath please):
Rousseau was but another alias of comte de Saint Germain*(2)...
....ie Gioachino Cocchi, aka Augustin Henry Cochin, Melchior Grimm, Willibald Christ. Gluck, Marquis de Chastellux, Bricaire de La Dixmerie, Dupin de Franceuil, Carl Ludwig Cocceji, Alexander Serg.Stroganov, Ser. Saltycov, Nikolay Saltycov*(4), possibly Peter Sem. Solticof, Alessandro Cosimo Collini (Voltaire’s secretary)..abbe Raynal, baron von Gleichen, baron von Holbach, Dr Helvetius (see "Abbe Raynal" in next thread) …..
....and “Rousseau”!
Method used to reach this conclusion:
With Rousseau’s talents- common with the other aliases of Saint Germain (music, botany, philosophy)-his writings concerning Mme D’Epinay’s relations with Grimm and his “falsity of character” as initial indications, Rousseau’s whereabouts were added to the detailed mastertimeline, as mentioned in above thread, including relevant data of all other aliases:
Rousseau’s presences and absences (basicaly Paris, London, Italy and USA -in the making) fully coincide with those of other aliases with the exception of Collini (whose book on Voltaire, “Mon séjour auprès de Voltaire et lettres inédites que m'écrivit”- including letter xchange, is "suspect of slight*(3) misinformation", just like Rousseau's "Confessions" and other books on "Saint Germain" and his aliases!).
Well aware of my finds gravity and significance, I really wish to openly debate the issue (Rousseau’s identity only, NOT the relevant implications) and kindly invite members or other readers of this site with sufficient interest and skill, to declare their willingless to defend “old” Rousseau*(5) and, if needed, also call any “outside assistance”, preferably French cousins or friends.
Cheers.
Relevant posts by undersigned:
http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15023 (On Poe,Saint Germain,Cocchi-Cocchini-Cochin-Caussin de Perceval etc)
http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35779 (On Melchior Grimm, Dupin de Franceuil, Stroganov, Chastellux, Gluck)
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=11715.0(On Alexander Serg.Stroganov, La Dixmerie)
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?p=5787715#post5787715 (On La Dixmerie)
http://www.sfcv.org/2007/06/05/at-long-last-gluck-2/#comment-547 (On Gluck) *(6)
*1 Currently in # 4 of about 140,000 Google results for "Melchior Grimm".
*2 Cocchi aka Saint Germain,Gluck, Grimm and Rousseau inspired Leroux to produce "The phantom of the opera" early 20th century.
"They" -alltogether-will certainly "haunt" opera to eternity, there is however specific evidence as well: "Don Juan triumphant" points to Gluck's "Don Giovanni"-defined presently as a "ballet"-produced in Vienna 1761, ie early in Gluck's reformation period (1761-67), ie Leroux expresses a wish for his triumphant return . The phantom's persian companion-guard points furthermore to the "Gullistan" (Persia) history of the family, including our hero's Nikita "K" ancestor, himself as well as his grandson (Stroganov) who spent sometime in Persia.
*3: On June 12 (1756) Collini leaves allegedly Voltaire's service (Geneva-Delices). However Augustin Henry Cochin's first Paris (Epinay) record is dated June 2nd of same year.
*4:Nikolai Saltykov, Paul I's tutor for a time , succeeds Potemkin in the Russian war ministry in 1791 and as from 1802becomes head minister of Russia. One should add here "L.H.Nicolay", also Paul I's tutor (1769) and a poet, whose biography at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Heinrich_von_Nicolai seems rather "incomplete".
Also see: http://www.flickr.com/photos/simon-finland/2016541790/page2/ (L.H Nicolay's memorial, a "knight's temple", propably Saint Germain's, at Monrepos,Viborg, Carelia, near St Petersburg. )
*5. Rousseau's "lettre sur la musique francaise", just read(late February 09), clearly demonstrates that the author is the same person as Gioachino Cocchi. (The same conclusion is also to be reached via Diderot's: "Jacques le fataliste et son maitre" and "Rameau's nephew".)
*6: As from early March, 09, the article on Gluck (by classical music professor M.Zwiebach) has been removed, possibly because of yourstruly's relative comments on Gluck's true identity.
Because (hold your breath please):
Rousseau was but another alias of comte de Saint Germain*(2)...
....ie Gioachino Cocchi, aka Augustin Henry Cochin, Melchior Grimm, Willibald Christ. Gluck, Marquis de Chastellux, Bricaire de La Dixmerie, Dupin de Franceuil, Carl Ludwig Cocceji, Alexander Serg.Stroganov, Ser. Saltycov, Nikolay Saltycov*(4), possibly Peter Sem. Solticof, Alessandro Cosimo Collini (Voltaire’s secretary)..abbe Raynal, baron von Gleichen, baron von Holbach, Dr Helvetius (see "Abbe Raynal" in next thread) …..
....and “Rousseau”!
Method used to reach this conclusion:
With Rousseau’s talents- common with the other aliases of Saint Germain (music, botany, philosophy)-his writings concerning Mme D’Epinay’s relations with Grimm and his “falsity of character” as initial indications, Rousseau’s whereabouts were added to the detailed mastertimeline, as mentioned in above thread, including relevant data of all other aliases:
Rousseau’s presences and absences (basicaly Paris, London, Italy and USA -in the making) fully coincide with those of other aliases with the exception of Collini (whose book on Voltaire, “Mon séjour auprès de Voltaire et lettres inédites que m'écrivit”- including letter xchange, is "suspect of slight*(3) misinformation", just like Rousseau's "Confessions" and other books on "Saint Germain" and his aliases!).
Well aware of my finds gravity and significance, I really wish to openly debate the issue (Rousseau’s identity only, NOT the relevant implications) and kindly invite members or other readers of this site with sufficient interest and skill, to declare their willingless to defend “old” Rousseau*(5) and, if needed, also call any “outside assistance”, preferably French cousins or friends.
Cheers.
Relevant posts by undersigned:
http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15023 (On Poe,Saint Germain,Cocchi-Cocchini-Cochin-Caussin de Perceval etc)
http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35779 (On Melchior Grimm, Dupin de Franceuil, Stroganov, Chastellux, Gluck)
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=11715.0(On Alexander Serg.Stroganov, La Dixmerie)
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?p=5787715#post5787715 (On La Dixmerie)
http://www.sfcv.org/2007/06/05/at-long-last-gluck-2/#comment-547 (On Gluck) *(6)
*1 Currently in # 4 of about 140,000 Google results for "Melchior Grimm".
*2 Cocchi aka Saint Germain,Gluck, Grimm and Rousseau inspired Leroux to produce "The phantom of the opera" early 20th century.
"They" -alltogether-will certainly "haunt" opera to eternity, there is however specific evidence as well: "Don Juan triumphant" points to Gluck's "Don Giovanni"-defined presently as a "ballet"-produced in Vienna 1761, ie early in Gluck's reformation period (1761-67), ie Leroux expresses a wish for his triumphant return . The phantom's persian companion-guard points furthermore to the "Gullistan" (Persia) history of the family, including our hero's Nikita "K" ancestor, himself as well as his grandson (Stroganov) who spent sometime in Persia.
*3: On June 12 (1756) Collini leaves allegedly Voltaire's service (Geneva-Delices). However Augustin Henry Cochin's first Paris (Epinay) record is dated June 2nd of same year.
*4:Nikolai Saltykov, Paul I's tutor for a time , succeeds Potemkin in the Russian war ministry in 1791 and as from 1802becomes head minister of Russia. One should add here "L.H.Nicolay", also Paul I's tutor (1769) and a poet, whose biography at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Heinrich_von_Nicolai seems rather "incomplete".
Also see: http://www.flickr.com/photos/simon-finland/2016541790/page2/ (L.H Nicolay's memorial, a "knight's temple", propably Saint Germain's, at Monrepos,Viborg, Carelia, near St Petersburg. )
*5. Rousseau's "lettre sur la musique francaise", just read(late February 09), clearly demonstrates that the author is the same person as Gioachino Cocchi. (The same conclusion is also to be reached via Diderot's: "Jacques le fataliste et son maitre" and "Rameau's nephew".)
*6: As from early March, 09, the article on Gluck (by classical music professor M.Zwiebach) has been removed, possibly because of yourstruly's relative comments on Gluck's true identity.