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Stanislaw
03-24-2004, 11:55 PM
I assume that you have all read the book, anyways I was just thinking about the common people the droles(?), they seemed happy no matter which gov. was in power and the only problem seemed to occure only in the actual party, except for those who were actually within the party jobs, most people didn't have a problem with the society, it was only upperclass disturbers who felt that they needed more freedome who were upset with big brother, like the main character.

What do you think, I think that society would work, and the deletion of disturbers was an acceptible level of control, I mean most of the people were happy.

IWilKikU
03-25-2004, 01:00 PM
The "proles" (short for prolatarians, not sure if I spelled that right) where only happy because they were unaware of somthing better. If ignorance is bliss than yes, that life would be great. However, is it right to manipulate the proles into believing what is false, simply for the sake of keeping them under control and happy under control? (please no one take this oppertunity to point out that George Bush is trying to do just that, convincing the people of the world that our lives are in danger every second, as political discussion is forbidden) What an awful way to treat the responsability of taking care of your people!

Cassandra
03-26-2004, 01:19 PM
I'd rather be les happy but more in control. Read Brave New world, they're happy but look how messed up their society is and how immoral they are.

imthefoolonthehill
03-30-2004, 02:06 AM
exactly. BNW and 1984 are 2 of my most fav. books... I wrote a 20 page comparison contrast on them... the min was like 8 pages... heh... foolish foolish me.

simon
03-30-2004, 03:15 AM
I prefered 1984 ot BNW, but after I read that BNW was written in the 1920's(?) I was more impressed. 1984 just has the whole language view, like collateral damage, how can langueage not effect thought?

IWilKikU
03-30-2004, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by imthefoolonthehill
exactly. BNW and 1984 are 2 of my most fav. books... I wrote a 20 page comparison contrast on them... the min was like 8 pages... heh... foolish foolish me.

Wow. We get penalized bigtime for going that much over length limits. What grade did you get? What level of school was it for?

imthefoolonthehill
03-31-2004, 12:29 AM
it was Sophomore Honors Lit.... There was no limit... there was only a minimum.... our class (05) is well noted in our school for forcing teachers to adopt maximum page limits....

I got 100%... which was less than I hoped for... (was shooting for Extra credit)... but aw well... none was promised, and none was recieved... so I couldn't be too disapointed... and I think the time was well spent... through reading those books several times through, and spending hours thinking about them, I not only see the world through a slightly different perspective, but also am well qualified to discuss the books... which are often hot topics of discussion.

Stanislaw
03-31-2004, 06:41 PM
People aren't really smart enough to rule themselves, they need a leader who can guide them, people need to be led, like sheep they will make bad decisions if they are left to guide themselves.

imthefoolonthehill
03-31-2004, 11:32 PM
using that logic, wouldn't the leader make bad decisions too?

Stanislaw
04-01-2004, 12:32 AM
Theoretically, however no one would oppose his decision, so no conflict would come of it.

crisaor
04-01-2004, 03:18 PM
Stan, that is an awful way of thinking.
Picture yourself in the role of sheep instead of the leader and see if you'd like it.

simon
04-07-2004, 09:48 PM
I'm inclined to agree with Stan, but I think that leaders have been making bad decisions for years. Look at William Golding's Lord of the Flies, the boys choose a leader pronto and conflict arises with the conch and it's power. In 1984 Big Brother has this power to make decisions for everyone and because he is never seen, nobody can condradict him, though the conch seems democratic, in reality it weilds power like BB.

Stanislaw
04-08-2004, 11:44 PM
If I was the sheep, I would be completely indoctrinated so I wouldn't know any different, to me it would be bliss.

simon
04-09-2004, 01:38 AM
All you'd have to do is eat, sleep, and produce lambs, your only hardship being the chill from being shaved every so often.

IWilKikU
04-10-2004, 05:45 PM
I pity Canada right now.

simon
04-12-2004, 12:07 PM
Pity away.

Stanislaw
04-19-2004, 09:22 PM
Why, just because we have spineless leaders doesn't mean we can't clime out of the ashes of failed democracy and start a-new and rise to world glory.

simon
04-20-2004, 01:01 AM
The ambition of greatness is a path filled with failure and suffering, better to search for self enlightenment and screw eveybody else becuase they won't listen.

IWilKikU
04-20-2004, 03:00 PM
funny, before you prefered ignorence, now you want enlightenment? whew, you are confused.

simon
04-21-2004, 02:32 AM
Yeah, my mind is fickle in it's wants.

Stanislaw
04-23-2004, 08:57 PM
You are a strange one simon.
:D

simon
04-23-2004, 09:49 PM
Laugh it up, because it's gonna stay strange until the day it expires.

Stanislaw
04-23-2004, 09:59 PM
Did you know you can change your rank after 100 posts?

simon
04-24-2004, 01:34 AM
Nope, but I'm good like this.

Stanislaw
04-30-2004, 11:24 AM
I wasn't sure, just thought I'd tell you.

faith
06-01-2004, 08:30 AM
Im going to read 1984 for a litterature cource this summer. It sounds interesting, and anyway, Ive gotta read it since my mums got it in her bookshelf (or actually Ive "stolen" it by now).

Stanislaw
06-07-2004, 08:45 PM
It is a good book, but I think it is a little biased.