Universal Anarchy

[PierreGringoire]

This is only the effect to world peace.

The only cause to world peace is peaceful people.

What government can best make peaceful people?

[cuppajoe_9]

A pacifist socialist government with a focus on removing the cause of crime as opposed to punishing it after the fact sounds like a good start to me.

[Thorwench]

No government can because people are not always peaceful by nature. You may be able to get a government or a government system that removes the most common causes for war - if no one would would profit from warfare they then would be less warfare but I don't think that this would lead to the impossibility of war. You could also remove the most likely causes for property related crime as Cuppa suggested, so you would have less of these. You could also educate your people accordingly but would still have crimes passionel or cruelty crimes (although less) or crimes by so called "perverts", you still have manslaugther and GBH. Human beings have some potential for aggression, some admittedly have more and some have less, but you will never get a situation where everyone has none. Some people are able to control their aggressive potential, some people are not. You will always have some social residue of violence and crime whatever the system although you will have higher proportions of all that in societies that are unequal or are less capable of conveying and upholding moral values. But then, the moral values themselves are also a problem. There was not that much "normal" crime in Nazi-Germany or Northern Ireland, but look what people did to one another because they were convinced that it was the right thing to do and because they believed that they were morally justified to do this. And even if you have the right set of values, who watches the watchman?

[AimusSage]

World peace can be achived by annihilating the human species, it's not even that difficult a thing to do either. We have the means, so what is stopping us?

[hitchhiker]

Please don't post stupid stuff like that. Annihlation yeah that would solve world peace for us but cuase distruction to the world and animals and plants and everything else that lives and the annihlation is stoping violence of humans but only with a another form of violence Ghandi once said "an eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" and that is what you are asking for blindness and that achieves nothing. what we are striding for is peace that we can enjoy which isn't here the only peace is not focusing on the wicked and evil of the world. Instead of being blind just turn your head and look at the sky instead of the battle ground before you and if your sky is cloudy look at gods beutiful rain just find beuty and peace in your world that is the sulotion nothing else.

[cuppajoe_9]

World peace can be achived by annihilating the human species, it's not even that difficult a thing to do either. We have the means, so what is stopping us?

The fact that we would then be unable to enjoy that world peace?

[AimusSage]

Please don't post stupid stuff like that. Annihlation yeah that would solve world peace for us but cuase distruction to the world and animals and plants and everything else that lives and the annihlation is stoping violence of humans but only with a another form of violence Ghandi once said "an eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" and that is what you are asking for blindness and that achieves nothing. what we are striding for is peace that we can enjoy which isn't here the only peace is not focusing on the wicked and evil of the world. Instead of being blind just turn your head and look at the sky instead of the battle ground before you and if your sky is cloudy look at gods beutiful rain just find beuty and peace in your world that is the sulotion nothing else.
You just made my day! :nod:

[Draconeus]

This is only the effect to world peace.

The only cause to world peace is peaceful people.

What government can best make peaceful people?

A benevolent dictator can, alas none exist, for the human is corruptable

[Eagleheart]

Maybe if we can "remodel" human nature...we can create a government with the ability to make peaceful people...without this hypothetical statement...Governments can always employ inclinations...reshape appearances...but don't assign to it some transcendental qualities...

[0bliv!on]

No government can because people are not always peaceful by nature. You may be able to get a government or a government system that removes the most common causes for war - if no one would would profit from warfare they then would be less warfare but I don't think that this would lead to the impossibility of war. You could also remove the most likely causes for property related crime as Cuppa suggested, so you would have less of these. You could also educate your people accordingly but would still have crimes passionel or cruelty crimes (although less) or crimes by so called "perverts", you still have manslaugther and GBH. Human beings have some potential for aggression, some admittedly have more and some have less, but you will never get a situation where everyone has none. Some people are able to control their aggressive potential, some people are not. You will always have some social residue of violence and crime whatever the system although you will have higher proportions of all that in societies that are unequal or are less capable of conveying and upholding moral values. But then, the moral values themselves are also a problem. There was not that much "normal" crime in Nazi-Germany or Northern Ireland, but look what people did to one another because they were convinced that it was the right thing to do and because they believed that they were morally justified to do this. And even if you have the right set of values, who watches the watchman?

agree lots of times.

cuppajoe_9: why must world peace be achieved only for us to enjoy? Must all our efforts be ultimately selfish?

hitchhiker: Your "find beauty in looking at the sky" approach is arguably worse than blindness, for it is a willing abrogation of the responsibility that 'god' gave you along with your power to change the world, albeit it however minor the changes may be. How can you, while conscious of the people dying in Iraq, the people starving in Africa, turn a blind eye, watch the sky and say "this is enjoying peace"?

[Themis]

Maybe if we can "remodel" human nature...we can create a government with the ability to make peaceful people...without this hypothetical statement...Governments can always employ inclinations...reshape appearances...but don't assign to it some transcendental qualities...


If you remodel humans, they won't be human anymore. The human species has - generally - certain faults that may be disagreeable but nature is never perfect. And it never can be. Should one "remodel" humans, there would be other faults, I'm sure.

And human beings aren't able to create a "perfect" government. There is always a downside. Socialist dream of everyone owning everything. But that's just not fair and against human nature, in my opinion. Nor is any other.

[Dr Eep]

My feeling is that we, as humans, are incapable of creating true universal peace. It is impossible for any human in todays world to bring about a plan or a system that will mean true universal peace. As you have all rightly said, there is just too much diversity in our perceptions and resultant actions to accomplish that. The intellectuals will not like this but there will eventually be a government that will bring about universal peace - but it will not be run by a mortal human, it'll be run by a God. This is the only way we will ever see the universal peace yearned for by many in this thread.

[haxan64]

If the red ants would stop fighting with the black ants, we would be closer to world peace!

I'm so glad I was born in the USA. http://www.aneki.com . Amazing facts considering the United States has 300,000,000 people.

[Eagleheart]

Themis,
I stressed something else...that governments cannot create peaceful people anymore than they can create "new" human nature...on this account was I refering to "remodeling"... but further elaboration on the subject will demand a shift to another thread about the logical fallacies-speaking about intrinsic characteristics and "remodeling" at the same time fits the title pretty well

[cuppajoe_9]

cuppajoe_9: why must world peace be achieved only for us to enjoy? Must all our efforts be ultimately selfish?

Eeeeeyup. Sorry, but if the globe is going to be peaceful, somebody capable of enjoying it had better be around.

[michael hersch]

This is only the effect to world peace.

What government can best make peaceful people?
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I believe, the question should be: 'What people can make a peaceful government?'