Stories with Holes - 7

[Scheherazade]

Here we go again!

Remember, Yes or No questions only!



The newspaper slipped out of Mr Thomas' hands. He looked at his wife in shock and said 'A murder has been committed!'

[yellowfeverlime]

No!???????????

[Scheherazade]

I am afraid the question marks tagged at the end does not qualify 'No' as a question still! ;)

[yellowfeverlime]

I'm confsed, wat r we doin?

[papayahed]

I'm confsed, wat r we doin?

We have to figure out the rest of the story by asking yes or no questions:


Did he read about the murder in the paper?
Was it Sunday?
Was Mr T in his bathrobe?
Did they know the murdered person?

[Nightshade]

are we trying to find out about the murder?
or are we trying to find its effect on Mr and mrs T's life?
Are either of them in any way involved in the murder?

[Scheherazade]

Did he read about the murder in the paper?No, not exactly.
Was it Sunday?
Was Mr T in his bathrobe?Irrelevant.
Did they know the murdered person? Uhm... No.
are we trying to find out about the murder?
or are we trying to find its effect on Mr and mrs T's life?
Are either of them in any way involved in the murder?Yes, we are trying to solve the murder mystery.
No, they are not involved with the murder.

[Jay]

Has the corpse been identified?
Is the dead person a man or a woman?
Old? Young? Middle aged? Is his/her age relevant?
How s/he died? Shot? Drowned? Slit throat? Drugged? Strangled? Abducted by the aliens? Scared to death? Hit by a car? Frozen? Biological warfare (spell?) kinda thing? *running out of ideas :p*
Was there a motive for the murder?
Did the person die where s/he was found? No moving dead bodies around?
If there was a weapon used for the kill, has it been found near the victim?

[Scheherazade]

Has the corpse been identified?Yes, it is identified.

Is the dead person a man or a woman?A woman.
Old? Young? Middle aged? Is his/her age relevant?Middle aged, though her age is not relevant.
How s/he died? Shot? Drowned? Slit throat? Drugged? Strangled? Abducted by the aliens? Scared to death? Hit by a car? Frozen? Biological warfare (spell?) kinda thing? *running out of ideas :p*None of these.
Was there a motive for the murder?Yes, there was a motive.
Did the person die where s/he was found? No moving dead bodies around?Yes, she died where she was found.
If there was a weapon used for the kill, has it been found near the victim?No weapons found near the body.

[samercury]

Was she hanged?
Did she know the murderer?
Was she killed fro financial reasons?

[Jay]

Was a weapon used for the kill?
It was a murder, wasn't it?
Was it a planned murder?
Is the murderer's gender relevant? Male? Female?
Did the woman know there was a killer out there to get her?
Is time of her death relevant? Morning, afternoon, night...
Was her body found in a densly populated area or somewhere aside? (like the centre of a city, on a street for example, as opposed to a long abandoned factory)
Was she found in a city/town? Beach? Desert? Circus? :p

[Scheherazade]

Was she hanged?No
Did she know the murderer?Yes.

Was she killed fro financial reasons?Yes.
Was a weapon used for the kill? No.
It was a murder, wasn't it?Yes.
Was it a planned murder?Yes.
Is the murderer's gender relevant? Male? Female?Male.
Did the woman know there was a killer out there to get her?No.
Is time of her death relevant? Morning, afternoon, night...Irrelevant.
Was her body found in a densly populated area or somewhere aside? (like the centre of a city, on a street for example, as opposed to a long abandoned factory)Yes, populated area.
Was she found in a city/town? Beach? Desert? Circus?City.

[B-Mental]

Does it matter what day of the week it was?
Are Mr. & Mrs. T at home?

[Jay]

Did the murdered broke her neck? Suffocated her? Injected her with something? Poisoned her?
Did he kill her with his bare hands?
Is the killer a professional?
If not, is the relationship between the victim and the killer relevant? Were they relatives? Husband and wife?
Did he kill her because of the money? (only because of it, nothing personal)
Did he want to gain money by killing her or did he kill her because she owed him some money?

[B-Mental]

Is Jay a detective?

[Scheherazade]

Does it matter what day of the week it was?
Are Mr. & Mrs. T at home?Day of the week is irrelevant. And yes, Mr and Mrs T are at home.
Did the murdered broke her neck? Suffocated her? Injected her with something? Poisoned her?No.

Did he kill her with his bare hands?Uhm... in a way.

Is the killer a professional?No.

If not, is the relationship between the victim and the killer relevant? Were they relatives? Husband and wife?Yes, yes, yes.

Did he kill her because of the money? (only because of it, nothing personal)Yes.

Did he want to gain money by killing her or did he kill her because she owed him some money?Yes, he hoped to gain some money.

To recap:

Dead Woman: Dead Woman Married Didn't know that someone wanted to kill her Died in the city

Killer: DW's Husband Hopes to make a financial gain Killed the DW using his hands

Mr and Mrs T: Are at home Didn't exactly read about the murder in the paper Didn't know the DW They are not involved in the murder

[B-Mental]

Did the crime occur in the vicinity of Mr. & Mrs. T?
Is the dead woman connected to Mr. & Mrs. T?
Did anyone see the murderous act?

[Jay]

Did the husband use a tool (anything that's not a weapon in its original way of use) to kill her?
Did the husband marry the DW for money?

Did one or both of the Mr & Mrs T see the murder? Otherwise witnessed it?
Do they live in the same city?
Do Mr & Mrs T know the killer?
Do they know who killed the woman?

[Scheherazade]

Did the husband use a tool (anything that's not a weapon in its original way of use) to kill her?No.
Did the husband marry the DW for money?Yes.
Did one or both of the Mr & Mrs T see the murder? Otherwise witnessed it?No.
Do they live in the same city?Yes.
Do Mr & Mrs T know the killer?Yes.
Do they know who killed the woman?Yes.
Did the crime occur in the vicinity of Mr. & Mrs. T?No.
Is the dead woman connected to Mr. & Mrs. T? No.
Did anyone see the murderous act?No.

Good questions!

[Jay]

Is the killer related to Mr & Mrs T? Like brother, son...
If not, is he a friend of theirs?
Were Mr & Mrs T suspecting the husband will try to kill his wife?
Did they know he was married?

Did the husband try to make the murder look like an accident?

[Basil]

So although Mr. T did not read about the murder in the newspaper, the newspaper nonetheless "told" him there had been a murder?

Did the dead woman do something in her dying moments to alert someone to her murder?

Was the newspaper itself in the proximity of the murder?

[Scheherazade]

Is the killer related to Mr & Mrs T? Like brother, son...No.
If not, is he a friend of theirs?No.

Were Mr & Mrs T suspecting the husband will try to kill his wife?No.
Did they know he was married?Yes.
Did the husband try to make the murder look like an accident?Hmm.. No.

So although Mr. T did not read about the murder in the newspaper, the newspaper nonetheless "told" him there had been a murder?Yes.

Did the dead woman do something in her dying moments to alert someone to her murder?No.
Was the newspaper itself in the proximity of the murder?No.

[Basil]

Was the killer somehow affiliated with the newspaper?

OH MY GOD, WAS IT THE PAPERBOY??

[samercury]

Was the DW a member of the newspaper?
Was she related to Mr&Mrs T?

[Scheherazade]

Was the DW a member of the newspaper?
Was she related to Mr&Mrs T?No and no.
Was the killer somehow affiliated with the newspaper?No.


OH MY GOD, WAS IT THE PAPERBOY??BINGO! There was a big rivalry between paperboys over who should get richer roads in the neighbourhood and the argument went from bad to worse... and you know the rest... The lady is no more.

*presents Basil with the *bop* he has deserved*

:D



So, the paperboy is NOT the murderer.

[Basil]

Well, excuse me, but is it not a well-known fact that paperboys are a sordid lot of ne-er-do-wells who'll do anything for a buck, including murder? Don't we all remember the chilling paperboy-as-stalker character from the movie Better Off Dead? Don't ever cross a paperboy, Scher. They're a bunch of brutes.

Was the clue in the newspaper common to all the copies of that day's newspaper (i.e. printed), or was it unique to Mr. T's newspaper only?

[Scheherazade]

Well, excuse me, but is it not a well-known fact that paperboys are a sordid lot of ne-er-do-wells who'll do anything for a buck, including murder? Don't we all remember the chilling paperboy-as-stalker character from the movie Better Off Dead? Don't ever cross a paperboy, Scher. They're a bunch of brutes.*Calls 'Action Against Cruelty Towards Paperboys' and gives Basil's name* Such bias and prejudice!
Was the clue in the newspaper common to all the copies of that day's newspaper (i.e. printed), or was it unique to Mr. T's newspaper only?Yes, it was in all of the copies.

[samercury]

Did anyone else know that the murder had taken place?
Was the DW choked?

[Basil]

Since you said Mr. T "didn't exactly read" about the murder in the newspaper, should we assume the clue came in the form of a picture?

And could anybody have made the deduction that Mr. T did, or could he alone have figured it out (because of knowledge only he had)?

[Scheherazade]

Did anyone else know that the murder had taken place?
Was the DW choked?No and no.
Since you said Mr. T "didn't exactly read" about the murder in the newspaper, should we assume the clue came in the form of a picture?No, not from a picture. He didn't exactly read about a murder.
And could anybody have made the deduction that Mr. T did, or could he alone have figured it out (because of knowledge only he had)?Hmmm, if someone else knew what he did, probably they would have deduce the same thing as well.

[B-Mental]

Wait, I'm confused I thought the paperboy did it?


BINGO! There was a big rivalry between paperboys over who should get richer roads in the neighbourhood and the argument went from bad to worse... and you know the rest... The lady is no more.

[Nightshade]

Bmental she bopped him scher was practising sarcasam...:brow: :D
Hummmm lets see did Mr T know that DW (can we give her a name please??) was rich and this is connected some how?
WAs Mr T a barman thing and had he witnessed over heard the murder drukenly plan the murder?
wait wasit prermeditatted?
were they neighbours?
and wait was it the DW newspaper and she never never ever would have left it out if she was dead?
no wait how would he know it was murder?
so it was an article in the newspaper that told him as such??

@basil+scher: Havent you to ever read any of horiatop Alger jr books about newspaperboys???http://users.eastlink.ca/~borderviewfarm/December%20Photos/smilie%20shaking%20head%20NO.gif

[Scheherazade]

did Mr T know that DW was rich and this is connected some how?Yes.
WAs Mr T a barman thing and had he witnessed over heard the murder drukenly plan the murder?No and no.

wait wasit prermeditatted?Yes.

were they neighbours?No.

and wait was it the DW newspaper and she never never ever would have left it out if she was dead?No.

no wait how would he know it was murder?That is what we are trying to figure out! :p

so it was an article in the newspaper that told him as such??Yes.


@basil+scher: Havent you to ever read any of horiatop Alger jr books about newspaperboys???Nope!

To recap:

Dead Woman: Dead Woman Married Didn't know that someone wanted to kill her Died in the city Did not alert anyone Not a member of the newspaper Did not choke Did not leave her papers outside

Killer: DW's Husband Hopes to make a financial gain Killed the DW using his hands Did not use any tools Married the DW for her money Lives in the same city as Mr and Mrs T Not related to Mr and Mrs T Not their friend either Did not try to make it look like an accident Premeditated the murder Is NOT a paperboy!

Mr and Mrs T: Are at home Didn't exactly read about the murder in the paper Didn't know the DW They are not involved in the murder Know the killer Did not see the murder Were not in the vicinity of the murder Not connected to the DW Did not suspect a murder would take place Knew the Killer was married Deduced that it was a murder after reading something in the paper Only they knew about the murder at the moment They did not see a picture in the paper Knew something very few people knew Mr T is not a barman Are not DW's neighbors

[B-Mental]

Did the woman fall to her death, ya know pushed?
Do the T's live below the murderer and did woman?
Did the dead woman fall on the paperboy?!!!

I'm trying really hard, but I'm no Poirot.

[Basil]

Did the article which alerted Mr. T to the murder mention the DW's death in an overt manner (like an obituary)?

You said Mr. and Mrs. T "knew something very few people knew." Was this info concerning the killer? DW? Both?

[Scheherazade]

Did the woman fall to her death, ya know pushed?YES! :D

Do the T's live below the murderer and did woman?No.

Did the dead woman fall on the paperboy?!!!Luckily, no! :D

Did the article which alerted Mr. T to the murder mention the DW's death in an overt manner (like an obituary)?YES!
You said Mr. and Mrs. T "knew something very few people knew." Was this info concerning the killer? DW? Both?Hmmm... it could be considered both... but especially the DW.


Eeeexcellent Smithers!

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[Basil]

So it was an obituary reporting DW's death, but as an accident and not the muder we know it to be? But since the T's did not know DW before her death, I'm guessing there is some detail in the obituary they perceive to be in error? And they know this because of something they know about the killer?

Is the relationship between the T's and the killer relevant--like how they know each other?

[Scheherazade]

So it was an obituary reporting DW's death, Yes.
but as an accident and not the muder No.
But since the T's did not know DW before her death, I'm guessing there is some detail in the obituary they perceive to be in error?Hmmm, not really.
And they know this because of something they know about the killer?Yes, about the killer and the DW.

Is the relationship between the T's and the killer relevant--like how they know each other?Yes, VERY relevant.

[Nightshade]

OMG is T a psychitrast doctor or some such who knows DW (still no name I am dissapointed!) had vertigo and would never ever have willingly gone high enough up to come down as it were??
:D
Maybe T treated killer for injuries caused by falling off a ladder and he had to do it (whjich he metioned) because his wife has a phobia??

[Basil]

Did the obit state it was a suicide?

And the killer is not related to the T's, not their friend . . . do they know him because of his position or job? Do they work together?

[Scheherazade]

OMG is T a psychitrast doctor or some such who knows DW (still no name I am dissapointed!) had vertigo and would never ever have willingly gone high enough up to come down as it were??
:D
Maybe T treated killer for injuries caused by falling off a ladder and he had to do it (whjich he metioned) because his wife has a phobia??No, Mr T is not a psychiatrist and the DW did not suffer from vertigo.

Did the obit state it was a suicide?YES! Me thinks this calls for a banana! :banana:


And the killer is not related to the T's, not their friend . . . do they know him because of his position or job? Do they work together?They do not know him because of his job nor do they work together.

[Basil]

Do the T's know the killer because he is famous? Or are they intimate, on a first-name basis?

[samercury]

Was the killer secretly a thief?
Did the DW just inherit a large amount of money?

[Basil]

They do not know him because of his job nor do they work together.

Somehow I missed the italicized his the first time reading this: so they know the killer perhaps because of Mr. T's job? Is the killer a client of Mr. T's? Mrs. T's?

[Nightshade]

yes but think here night http://www.websmileys.com/sm/fingers/fing20.gif
what would connect people by work related and only ne is working??
client-(whats the oppoisete of client anyway??)
so who would know you well enough a lawyer?, a psyvhitraist which we already know hes not a doctor?
And why would he know she would not commit suicide if he never met her?? Banker???
I notice she did not say that the killer was NOT treated to fall related injuries?
Of course T is a policeman isnt he? or psychic???
:D;D
bd)

[papayahed]

Is Mr. T in the Clergy? an accountant?
Did Mr. T and the Killer come in contact a few times a week?
Did Mr. T know that the DW was afraid of eights and never would have committed suicide in that manner?
Is Mr. T an insurance man?

[Scheherazade]

Somehow I missed the italicized his the first time reading this: Sorry, that is my mistake. Decided to give that clue away but went to bed last night without posting again :blush:.
so they know the killer perhaps because of Mr. T's job?Yes.
Is the killer a client of Mr. T's? Yes.
Mrs. T's?Yes.

Do the T's know the killer because he is famous?No.
Or are they intimate, on a first-name basis?No.
Was the killer secretly a thief?No.
Did the DW just inherit a large amount of money?No.
yes but think here night
what would connect people by work related and only ne is working??
client-(whats the oppoisete of client anyway??)
so who would know you well enough a lawyer?, a psyvhitraist which we already know hes not a doctor?
And why would he know she would not commit suicide if he never met her?? Banker???
I notice she did not say that the killer was NOT treated to fall related injuries?
Of course T is a policeman isnt he? or psychic???Hmm, I am not very sure what you are asking exactly here Night (mostly the questions seem to be directed at yourself :D) but the Killer is not a psychic, a policeman, lawyer, or a banker.
Is Mr. T in the Clergy? an accountant? No.

Did Mr. T and the Killer come in contact a few times a week?No.

Did Mr. T know that the DW was afraid of eights and never would have committed suicide in that manner?No.

Is Mr. T an insurance man?No.

[Basil]

Do the T's have an office? Or are their clients people they work for at their homes, like housecleaners and butlers?

We know the T's know the killer--does the killer know the T's? If he does, does the killer know they possess info that would allow them to realize the murder?

[papayahed]

Are the T's phone sex operators?
Does Mr T. know the killer in person? other forms of communication like the phone? or email?
Did Mr T. ever hear the killer say he was going to commit the murder?
Did Mr T know because of how DW died? hearing the killer talk about a plan?
oh, Are the T's book editors and Mr T. read the killers manuscript detailing a husband killing his wife?

[Scheherazade]

Do the T's have an office?Yes.
Or are their clients people they work for at their homes, like housecleaners and butlers?No.


We know the T's know the killer--does the killer know the T's? Yes.
If he does, does the killer know they possess info that would allow them to realize the murder?Yes.

Are the T's phone sex operators?Hmm... Don't think so... But don't know what they do at the weekends. :p

Does Mr T. know the killer in person? other forms of communication like the phone? or email?Yes, in person.

Did Mr T. ever hear the killer say he was going to commit the murder?No.

Did Mr T know because of how DW died? hearing the killer talk about a plan?No.

oh, Are the T's book editors and Mr T. read the killers manuscript detailing a husband killing his wife?No.

[Basil]

Is it through their profession that the T's have the information that allows them to figure out the murder? If we can figure out their profession will we be able to guess how they came by their insight?

[Scheherazade]

Is it through their profession that the T's have the information that allows them to figure out the murder? Yes
If we can figure out their profession will we be able to guess how they came by their insight?Yes.






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[Basil]

Did the manner of DW's death contribute to the T's conclusion of murder; that is, if the killer had done her in some other way, would the T's have figured it out?

[B-Mental]

OMG! Are the T's mimes? That explains everything.

[Basil]

Mimes have offices? Instead of invisible boxes, are they actually caught in invisible cubicles?

[B-Mental]

Yeah, but everybody hates mimes! I think the killer was trying to kill the mimes to collect the reward, and unfortunately the wife died and mimes lived. Tragic!

[Basil]

Hey man, that's not funny--my parents were mimes.

[Basil]

And they were brutally slaughtered one night when performing in Central Park.

[Scheherazade]

Did the manner of DW's death contribute to the T's conclusion of murder; No.
if the killer had done her in some other way, would the T's have figured it out?Yes.

OMG! Are the T's mimes? That explains everything. But of course! That does explain many things...
Mimes have offices? Instead of invisible boxes, are they actually caught in invisible cubicles? Of course... It's called CIA... You thought 'Men in Black(Tights)' was a joke??
Yeah, but everybody hates mimes! I think the killer was trying to kill the mimes to collect the reward, and unfortunately the wife died and mimes lived. Tragic! Still, I think there is a lesson to be learnt here...

[Basil]

I had to go live with my aunt and uncle. They were rodeo clowns.

[B-Mental]

Sorry to hear that, it could be worse, they could be mimes. Kinda out of the frying pan into the fire.

[Scheherazade]

*finds solace in the thought that tomorrow Basil will wince as he reads these confessional posts of his*

[Basil]

Funny you would say that...my parents had a routine in which they would mime going from a frying pan into a fire. That was the routine they were performing when the crowd tore them to pieces.....

[Basil]

Leaving my dead, mime parents behind for a sec . . . so there is a correlation between DW being pushed off a building (or high altitude) and the T's job?

[Scheherazade]

so there is a correlation between DW being pushed off a building (or high altitude) and the T's job?No.



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[papayahed]

Do the T's work with a client base? ie only dealing with certain people like lawyer?
Do the T's deal with the general puiblic, like owning a store?
Do the T's have contact with the killer frequently?
Do the T's work together?
Is the T's office near where the murder occurred?

[Scheherazade]

Do the T's work with a client base? ie only dealing with certain people like lawyer?No.

Do the T's deal with the general puiblic, like owning a store?Hmm.. kind of.

Do the T's have contact with the killer frequently?Not very often.

Do the T's work together?Yes.

Is the T's office near where the murder occurred?Nope!


The story so far:

Dead Woman: Dead Woman Married Didn't know that someone wanted to kill her Died in the city Did not alert anyone Not a member of the newspaper Did not choke Did not leave her papers outside Fell to her death Did not suffer from vertigo Had not inherit large amount of money recently The way she died is not crucial to Mr T's discovery Did NOT fall on the paperboy!

Killer: DW's Husband Hopes to make a financial gain Killed the DW using his hands Did not use any tools Married the DW for her money Lives in the same city as Mr and Mrs T Not related to Mr and Mrs T Not their friend either Did not try to make it look like an accident Premeditated the murder Made it look like a suicide Know the Ts because of their job Not a thief Not famous Knows that the Ts have this information about the DW Know them in person Is NOT a paperboy!

Mr and Mrs T: Are at home Didn't exactly read about the murder in the paper Didn't know the DW They are not involved in the murder Know the killer Did not see the murder Were not in the vicinity of the murder Not connected to the DW Did not suspect a murder would take place Knew the Killer was married Deduced that it was a murder after reading something in the paper Only they knew about the murder at the moment They did not see a picture in the paper Knew something very few people knew Are not DW's neighbors Do not live near the DW Mr T was reading some kind of obituary about the DW when he realised that the DW was murdered Have an office and deal with general public Do not see the Killer very often Mr and Mrs T work together Their job is crucial Are NOT near where the murder took place Would have known about the murder even if the DW had been killed in another way Mr T is NOT a barman, lawyer, insurance man, priest, editor, window cleaner, gardener, mime, rodeo clown OR a WMD inspector



*hums 'You've come so close yet so far away...'*

:D

[papayahed]

Are the T's wealthy from their job? are they poor?
Did the murder/DW have any children? Is that relevent?
Do the T's have children? relevent?
Do the T's own a dry cleaner? Are they the Jeffersons?
Do the T's know something about the murders/DW's financial situation?
Do the T's have employees?
Do the T's work for somebody else? are they their own boss?

[Nightshade]

okay last guess absalout last guess for tonight at least...
Theyre libarians and they know the killer was an awful abnoixous beast and he had been checking out a lot of books and stuff on murder also Mr T has an active imagim\nation like that of a certine fictional charcter agatha raisin who because she always excpects everything to be murder is so often confronted with it self forfilling prophecies and all.

[Scheherazade]

Are the T's wealthy from their job? are they poor?Not relevant.

Did the murder/DW have any children? Is that relevent?Not relevant.

Do the T's have children? relevent?Not relevant.

Do the T's own a dry cleaner? Are they the Jeffersons?No, and they are the Thomases. :D

Do the T's know something about the murders/DW's financial situation?Probably they do but not relevant.

Do the T's have employees?Yes, they do.

Do the T's work for somebody else? are they their own boss?Their own boss.
Theyre libarians and they know the killer was an awful abnoixous beast and he had been checking out a lot of books and stuff on murder also Mr T has an active imagim\nation like that of a certine fictional charcter agatha raisin who because she always excpects everything to be murder is so often confronted with it self forfilling prophecies and all. No, they are not librarians.

[papayahed]

Would any of the T's employees also be aware there was a murder committed if they saw the samething Mr T saw in the paper?
Do the T's own a car wash? restaurant?
Are the T's travel planners and they booked the killer a single one way ticket out of the country?
Did the killer let it slip that he would be coming into money?
Is the T's business open 24 hrs? 9-5?

[Scheherazade]

Sorry, Papaya. I don't know how I missed your post.
Would any of the T's employees also be aware there was a murder committed if they saw the samething Mr T saw in the paper?Probably...

Do the T's own a car wash? restaurant?No.

Are the T's travel plannersYES!!! They are travel agents.
and they booked the killer a single one way ticket out of the country?No...
Did the killer let it slip that he would be coming into money?No.
Is the T's business open 24 hrs? 9-5?9-5.

[papayahed]

Did the killer work as a booking agent for an airline?
oh did the killer call and cancel DW's travel plans before the murder took place?

[Scheherazade]

Did the killer work as a booking agent for an airline?No.

oh did the killer call and cancel DW's travel plans before the murder took place?No.


*cheers for Papaya*

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You are sooooo close!

[Anon22]

Has the killer killed before?

Did they just get married?
Where they at their honeymoon?
Is that the reason they know Mr. & Mrs. T and vice-versa?
Did Mr. & Mrs. T notice something suspicious between the 2(mainly the killer) that would make them suspect that the husband is the killer?
Do they suspect that the husband is the killer?
If it was their honeymoon where did they take a trip somewhere famous, or somewhere unknown?
Did she fall off a ship and drown?
Did she fall off a plane?
Did she fall off a building?
Are we trying to figure out who the murder is?
If so... don't we already know?
Are we trying to figure out his name?

[Scheherazade]

Has the killer killed before?No.


Did they just get married? No.

Where they at their honeymoon? No.

Is that the reason they know Mr. & Mrs. T and vice-versa? If you mean, they know the T's because they are newly married, no.

Did Mr. & Mrs. T notice something suspicious between the 2(mainly the killer) that would make them suspect that the husband is the killer? Not really.

Do they suspect that the husband is the killer? Yes.

If it was their honeymoon where did they take a trip somewhere famous, or somewhere unknown?Irrelevant.

Did she fall off a ship and drown?No.

Did she fall off a plane?No.

Did she fall off a building?Yes.

Are we trying to figure out who the murder is?No, we are trying to figure out how and why and where and why and when...


Are we trying to figure out his name?His name was Hugh... Hugh Jass... :D Sorry... His name is not relevant.

[Basil]

Does the killer have an alibi? If so, does the info possessed by the T's allow them to see through it?

[papayahed]

Did the killers and DW have a trip booked through the travel agency?
Did the killer and his mistress have a trip booked?

[Scheherazade]

Does the killer have an alibi? No.
If so, does the info possessed by the T's allow them to see through it?No.

Did the killers and DW have a trip booked through the travel agency?YES!!!

Did the killer and his mistress have a trip booked?No.

[NNoah3]

Is the age of the DW relevant?
If is yes, Could the T's figured out the the K didn't love his wife and her money was the only motive to marry her?

[Scheherazade]

Is the age of the DW relevant?No.

If is yes, Could the T's figured out the the K didn't love his wife and her money was the only motive to marry her?No.




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[Anon22]

Did the DW die in a hotel?

[NNoah3]

Did the killer pushed her to fell down?
Perhaps the DW suffered some incapacity, like to be blind or to use wheelchair, doing this impossible that she for herself was in the place of where she fell down, and because of that the T's knew that she was murdered, Am I right?

[Basil]

The info possessed by the T's--could it be found on the DW's passport? Or was it something the killer had to reveal regarding a planned trip?

[Scheherazade]

Did the DW die in a hotel?Yes.

Did the killer pushed her to fell down?Yes.

Perhaps the DW suffered some incapacity, like to be blind or to use wheelchair, doing this impossible that she for herself was in the place of where she fell down, and because of that the T's knew that she was murdered, Am I right?No.

The info possessed by the T's--could it be found on the DW's passport? No.
Or was it something the killer had to reveal regarding a planned trip?Hmmm... sort of.

[Basil]

Is there a discrepancy between the trip Mr. T planned and the facts listed in the obit? Different city, different hotel, different hotel floor?

[Anon22]

Did the killer plan the trip?
Or was it something they both had planned?
Was she paying any attention to the killer when she was pushed?
Or was she just minding her own business?

[papayahed]

Did the killer cash in DW's return trip ticket for a refund before the murder?
Were all the travel plans made for 2? Does it have anything to do with the travel plans?

[Nightshade]

so what he pushed her out the window??
or off the roof?

should I just give up??

[Scheherazade]

Is there a discrepancy between the trip Mr. T planned and the facts listed in the obit? Different city, different hotel, different hotel floor?No.

Did the killer plan the trip?No.

Or was it something they both had planned?Yes.

Was she paying any attention to the killer when she was pushed?Probably.

Or was she just minding her own business?Probably.

Did the killer cash in DW's return trip ticket for a refund before the murder?No.

Were all the travel plans made for 2?Yes.
Does it have anything to do with the travel plans?Yes.

so what he pushed her out the window??No.

or off the roof?No.

should I just give up??No.

[Anon22]

Did he push her off the balcony? I would assume it would be a romantic hotel... wait...
was the trip made for romance and love? or just because they had to visit a friend or something?

[samercury]

Did they go to the a hotel before travelling?
Did they never show up to board the plane?
Is Mr. T a travel agent?

[Scheherazade]

Did he push her off the balcony?Yes.
I would assume it would be a romantic hotel... Yes.

was the trip made for romance and love? Yes.
or just because they had to visit a friend or something?No.

Did they go to the a hotel before travelling?No.

Did they never show up to board the plane?They did show up.

Is Mr. T a travel agent?Yes.

[samercury]

So did they go to the hotel but only Mr T came back?

[Scheherazade]

So did they go to the hotel but only Mr T came back?No, Mr T hasn't gone anywhere.

To sum it up:

Dead Woman: Dead Woman Married Didn't know that someone wanted to kill her Died in the city Did not alert anyone Not a member of the newspaper Did not choke Did not leave her papers outside Fell to her death Did not suffer from vertigo Had not inherit large amount of money recently The way she died is not crucial to Mr T's discovery fell off a hotel's balcony Did NOT fall on the paperboy!

Killer: DW's Husband Hopes to make a financial gain Killed the DW using his hands Did not use any tools Married the DW for her money Lives in the same city as Mr and Mrs T Not related to Mr and Mrs T Not their friend either Did not try to make it look like an accident Premeditated the murder Made it look like a suicide Know the Ts because of their job Not a thief Not famous Knows that the Ts have this information about the DW Know them in person Pushed the DW to her death Is NOT a paperboy!

Mr and Mrs T: Are at home Didn't exactly read about the murder in the paper Didn't know the DW They are not involved in the murder Know the killer Did not see the murder Were not in the vicinity of the murder Not connected to the DW Did not suspect a murder would take place Knew the Killer was married Deduced that it was a murder after reading something in the paper Only they knew about the murder at the moment They did not see a picture in the paper Knew something very few people knew Are not DW's neighbors Do not live near the DW Mr T was reading some kind of obituary about the DW when he realised that the DW was murdered Have an office and deal with general public Do not see the Killer very often Mr and Mrs T work together Their job is crucial Are NOT near where the murder took place Would have known about the murder even if the DW had been killed in another way suspect the husband Mr T is NOT a barman, lawyer, insurance man, priest, editor, window cleaner, gardener, mime, rodeo clown OR a WMD inspector Are travel agents Made arrangements for the Killer and DW

[samercury]

So did they go to the hotel but only Mr T came back?

Oops! I meant DW's husband:

So did they go to the hotel but only DW's husband came back?

[papayahed]

oh, did the killer try to say that he wasn't in the hotel or didn't go on vacation with the DW, but the T's knew that he booked the vacation for 2?

[NNoah3]

We know that she died in the city but did she die in the city where they live?, or while they were of trip?
Or maybe the arrangements were done after the date that the newspaper says like the date of the death, Am I right?
The description of the DW in the obituary is different from which the T's knew when they made the arrangements?

[Anon22]

Was the DW pregnant? is that relevant?

So basically what we have here is that DW+Killer took a trip to who knows where(with the help of Mr. and Mrs.T). Hoping to make a financial gain, the killer while in the hotel pushes the unsuspecting DW off the balcony and kills her. Then Mr.T and Mrs.T have realized that she was murdered. What else is there to say?

[Scheherazade]

So did they go to the hotel but only DW's husband came back?Yes.

did the killer try to say that he wasn't in the hotel or didn't go on vacation with the DW, but the T's knew that he booked the vacation for 2? No.

We know that she died in the city but did she die in the city where they live?, or while they were of trip? On a trip.

the arrangements were done after the date that the newspaper says like the date of the death, Am I right? No.

The description of the DW in the obituary is different from which the T's knew when they made the arrangements? No.

Was the DW pregnant? No.
What else is there to say? How did Mr T know that she was murdered?

[Basil]

Was the DW a midget?

[Jay]

Did the husband plan to kill the DW on the trip?
Did something about his booking the trip at the T's give him away? Hinted he could have it in him to kill his wife? Like... Did the husband book the trip, including the hotel room with a balcony, at the T's? Did he ask for something classy, preferably a few floors high?
Or did he 'only' plan to kill her and he got a chance on the trip, having her on the balcony and seeing his chance?
Is the place relevant? I mean, did the DW and the husband book a trip aboard? Is that relevant?
Was the trip meant to be a surprise (present kinda) for the DW?
Did she want to go? (too busy at home, other business to attend to other than vacationing...)
Have the DW and the T's ever met?
Is the husband's profession relevant? Is the DW's?

[Scheherazade]

Was the DW a midget?Yes, she was a miming, rodeo-clowning, paper delivering midget. http://www.xs4all.nl/~ernstmul/images/yahoo/29.gif

Did the husband plan to kill the DW on the trip?Yes.

Did something about his booking the trip at the T's give him away?YES!!!
Hinted he could have it in him to kill his wife? Yes.
Like... Did the husband book the trip, including the hotel room with a balcony, at the T's?No.
Did he ask for something classy, preferably a few floors high?No.
Or did he 'only' plan to kill her and he got a chance on the trip, having her on the balcony and seeing his chance? Yes.
Is the place relevant?No.
I mean, did the DW and the husband book a trip aboard? Is that relevant?No.
Was the trip meant to be a surprise (present kinda) for the DW? Yes.
Did she want to go? (too busy at home, other business to attend to other than vacationing...)Yes.

Have the DW and the T's ever met?No.

Is the husband's profession relevant? Is the DW's?No and no.

[NNoah3]

Is the hour of the the death relevant? Morning or Night?
Were they suppose to be in another place than in a hotel at the time of the death?

[papayahed]

Was it there honeymoon?
Did they have a trip planned and the killer changed it unexpectedly?
oh did the husband book a trip for dangerous adventures like skydiving or swimming with sharks and hope for an "accident"?
Was it something Killer said while booking that made the T's suspicious? or how he booked the trip? or where he booked the trip?
Were there other people on the trip besides the killer and DW?

[Scheherazade]

Is the hour of the the death relevant? Morning or Night?Not relevant.

Were they suppose to be in another place than in a hotel at the time of the death?No.

Was it there honeymoon?No.

Did they have a trip planned and the killer changed it unexpectedly?No.

oh did the husband book a trip for dangerous adventures like skydiving or swimming with sharks and hope for an "accident"? No.

Was it something Killer said while booking that made the T's suspicious?No.
or how he booked the trip?YES!
or where he booked the trip?No.
Were there other people on the trip besides the killer and DW?Not relevant.

[papayahed]

Did he book the same trip for him and his wife?
Is when he booked the trip relevant?
did the the trip ever changed?

[Scheherazade]

Did he book the same trip for him and his wife?Hmm... Could you rephrase this question please? Depends on what you are asking.

Is when he booked the trip relevant?No.

did the the trip ever changed? No.

[papayahed]

Did he book 2 airline tickets to the destination and 2 tickets back from the destination?
OH, did he book 2 seperate hotels?
Did he pay for they're arrangements seperately? Like did he book one ticket under his wifes name then book another ticket under his name to make it look like she went by herself?
Did he pay for it with seperate credit cards?

[Scheherazade]

Did he book 2 airline tickets to the destination and 2 tickets back from the destination?No.

OH, did he book 2 seperate hotels?No.

Did he pay for they're arrangements seperately? Like did he book one ticket under his wifes name then book another ticket under his name to make it look like she went by herself?No.

Did he pay for it with seperate credit cards? No.

[NNoah3]

Did he book the return for one person only?
Perhaps the obituary is saying that the K is returning with the ashes of his wife who died during the trip and this is the clue that Mr. T saw in the newspaper. Am I right?

[papayahed]

Did he only book 1 airline ticket back from the destination?

[Scheherazade]

Did he book the return for one person only?YES! :D


Perhaps the obituary is saying that the K is returning with the ashes of his wife who died during the trip and this is the clue that Mr. T saw in the newspaper. No.

Did he only book 1 airline ticket back from the destination? YES!

:D

[NNoah3]

Did the killer return from the trip already?
What Mr. T read in the newspaper is the information about the death of the woman and in it says that she died abroad and her husband is doing the arrangements for transferring her body.
(A lot of CSI or Law & Order :D )

[Scheherazade]

Did the killer return from the trip already?Yes.


What Mr. T read in the newspaper is the information about the death of the woman and in it says that she died abroad and her husband is doing the arrangements for transferring her body.
(A lot of CSI or Law & Order :D ) Sort of.

He read about the DW's funeral which is scheduled to take place on that day and how she had unexpectedly killed herself while on holiday abroad. Mr T then remembers that the husband/killer booked their holiday through their agency and got a single ticket for her wife instead of a return. Mr T had thought that was strange at the time and when he reads about the unexpected suicide, he realises that something is dreadfully wrong: MURDER!

Papaya and Noah, you worked so hard and deserve a dozen of KitKats each!

:D

[papayahed]

Thanks. My candy bowl is quite low today, 2 lonely bottle caps.

[NNoah3]

Thank you Scher .... :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

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It was delicious!